Good morning Democrats. I would think that goober and frosty* would be in Crawford this w/e. Guess their invites got lost in the shuffle.

Kennedy: No veep slot for Clinton

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I thought that Clinton as VP might unify the Democratic Party like LBJ did with JFK, but I see what Ted Kennedy is implying. What is your opinion?

OIL! OIL! OIL! MIDDLE EASTERN AND U.S. POLITICS AROUND OIL! HILLARY AND BILL, FESS UP TO ALL YOU KNOW AND CONQUER!

I think Democratic Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton needs to talk about all she and Bill knows about the good, the bad and the ugly of the politics around oil on the U.S. and the Middle Eastern side and how she will handle those politics differently than the GOP. I think Senator Clinton’s Campaign could then successfully compete with Barrack Obama’s Campaign against the sensationalized politics in Washington by speaking against some of the politics around American oil deals.

Even if the majority of the Iraqi public ‘thinks’ that U.S. Military projects might be guided by U.S. and Iraqi oil deals, the Iraqi Government does not have to answer to the Iraqi public one way or another. This lack of negative or positive accountability by Middle Eastern Government’s is wrong and it furthers Iraq’s public concerns over sectarian divides and mistrust of the U.S..

How can a Hillary Clinton Administration assure the American and Iraqi public that America will hold its’ country publicly accountable and acknowledge America’s side of these politics which could help the two regions in the war against anti-Americanism and terrorism?

Even if America lowers its dependence on oil from the Middle East, we must remember, there will always be a small percentage of oil that America purchases from the Middle East. It is not the oil transactions their selves that is the problem, it is the politics around those oil transactions. AMERICA MUST ADDRESS THESE POLITICS EVEN IF AMERICA LOWERS ITS DEPENDENCE ON OIL FROM THE MIDDLE EAST.

(Maybe America should make the recorded Minutes of the Meetings of public and private oil deals between the U.S. and the Middle East nationally and internationally public to win American trust?)

By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 9, 2008; Page A25

Washington's civil nuclear deal with India is in such desperate straits that the State Department has imposed unusually strict conditions on the answers it provided to questions posed by members of Congress: Keep them secret.

The State Department made the request, even though the answers are not classified, because officials fear that public disclosure would torpedo the deal, sources said. The agreement would give New Delhi access to U.S. nuclear technology for the first time since it conducted a nuclear test in 1974, but leftist parties in the coalition government remain skeptical and view it as a possible infringement on India's sovereignty.

Rep. Tom Lantos (D-Calif.), the late chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, agreed to the request in February, and the current chairman, Rep. Howard L. Berman (D-Calif.), has abided by that commitment, though Berman is not considered a strong supporter of the deal. A group of prominent nonproliferation experts has decried the "virtual 'gag' order," but thus far, the answers have not leaked, in part because only a handful of congressional officials have been able to read them.

"The administration's unwillingness to make their answers more widely available suggests they have something to hide from either U.S. or Indian legislators," said Daryl Kimball, director of the Arms Control Association.

Any outrage over this? Good Grief this is the first time I've even heard of this crap! Why would the Democratic "leadership" keep this a secret from us? This doesn't look or smell very good to me but what do I know, right? I'm sick of this secret BS it's outrageous we can't get any details on a freaking treaty with a so-called ally. I have nothing against India, hell the American citizens and immigrints from India seem like great and smart individuals. Something really stinks about something so importand and potentially dangerous. Nuclear power is a dangerous thing to say nothing of trying to keep the waste from poisiong the world for tens of thousands of years. Secret my skinny butt.

There are serious rumors that SMU University in Dallas, has all but agreeded to have a Library built on their campus to Honer George W Bush.
TRUST, HONOR and RESPECT are supossed to be reserved titles for those people who "EARN" them, by their works. These honers are not :GIVE-MES"
If you look up the word 'LIE' in Webster's Dictionary, the only thing missing with that definition will be a photo-op of George W Bush.
His entire life has and still is filled with nothing more than failures on most all occassions.
His most success has been to give away our country to Corporate America, while running our country into near bankruptcy, so far in debt that our grandchildren will still be feeling the debt when they become adluts.
What he has accomplished in the Middle East can very easily be labelled a total 'DISASTER'. As well as causing the wounds and 'DEATH' of many of our fellow citizens. His actions based on deceit and lies, chosen and approved by GWB from the start.
This man doesn't deserve anything but a one way ticket back to Crawford, Texas.

Posted by gregg on May 10, 2008 at 08:20 AM

gregg,

And just how much a body did the Republicans save by using this privatization scam for our troops? I'm surprised they didn't send the remains to a BBQ pit joint and pick up some ribs at the same time.

Will we ever cease to be amazed at the insensitivity of these Republican asshat Liberty College grads?

Posted by wldj on May 10, 2008 at 10:12 AM

wldj,

I heard about it a year or two ago. You have to figure it's one of the reasons that the Pakistanis threw Musharraf out on his can.

The administration has some dingbat deal worked out whereby the Indians give us mangoes in exchange for nuclear power fuel.

I kid you not. It's that stupid. The MSM at the time reported it as a diplomatic breakthrough. Go figure. Condi must like mangoes?

Florida is trying to starve public schools by bringing up the voucher issue for private schools...using public money. They never quit.

Radical voucher initiative on Florida's ballot will allow public school money to private schools

Florida, forever pushing the Bush agenda.

Posted by SandyH on May 10, 2008 at 10:53

Mangoes for nuclear fuel? I have posted the need for John McCain to get a brain scan, Bush needs to get in line behind McNuts!....Mangoes for nuclear fuel!....Unbelievable!

Posted by wldj on May 10, 2008

"The administration's unwillingness to make their answers more widely available suggests they have something to hide from either U.S. or Indian legislators," said Daryl Kimball, director of the Arms Control Association.

wldj,

This makes me think of what I am saying about Middle Eastern Governments thinking they do not have to answer to Iraq’s public concerns over oil and U.S./Iraqi joint military projects one way or another. Where some people in Iraq may fear that the Shiite government of Iraq may be using oil deals to manipulate the U.S. military to do activities against other sects in Iraq. This lack of accountability or reassurance to the Iraqi public is wrong and it furthers Iraq’s public concerns over sectarian divides and mistrust of the U.S.. Furthermore that lack of trust can lead to U.S. Soldiers dieing in Iraq and has.

It is embarrassing that the Bush administration is being accused of playing those same sort of silent politics of Middle Eastern Government’s with the American public over something as serious as U.S. nuclear technology. It’s like the Republican administration thinks they don’t have to be held accountable to the public if they just don’t acknowledge that anyone knew enough to ask a question about the deal to answer, one way or the other. When a government doesn’t want to answer a question one way or another you know something’s being politically played or hidden.

Hi everybody!

Good day,

The most amazing Moyer's Journal last night. This Philippe Sands is an astonishingly intelligent and brilliantly effective voice for reason and rule of law, and this show a must see (some 30 minutes).
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PHILIPPE SANDS: The Geneva Conventions were plainly violated in relation to this man. And in our system laws, if a man violates the law and commits a crime, he is punishable.

BILL MOYERS:So who violated the law?

PHILIPPE SANDS:I think it goes to the top. And I think that the lawyers contributed to the violation of the law-

BILL MOYERS:But the--

PHILIPPE SANDS:And the lawyers themselves face exposure. But just coming back to this bigger point, I'm not saying there, I'm not on a witch hunt. I'm not saying that there should be a campaign of investigation and prosecution and sentencing, and conviction, and so on and so forth. What I'm saying is let's start by sorting out the facts. Once the facts have been sorted out, let's see exactly what they say, and it will be for others to decide what needs to be done. But until that's done, you can't close on the past and you can't move forward.

BILL MOYERS:But David Rifkin says in the hearing, "I think it would be madness to prosecute anybody, given the facts involved." ... "The efforts to go-- the efforts to go after the lawyers borders, to put it mildly, on madness. Those lawyers were not in any chain of command. They had no theoretical or practical ability to direct actions of anyone who engaged in abusive conduct."

PHILIPPE SANDS:He's just wrong. The lawyers were deeply involved in the decision making process. The lawyers that I've identified, from John Yoo at Department of Justice, preparing a legal memorandum which abandons American and international definitions of torture, and reintroduces a new definition that has never been passed by any legislature, that is totally unacceptable. What was he doing there? Was he really giving legal advice? No he wasn't. He was rubber stamping a policy decision. This is not careful, independent legal advice. What was Jim Haynes doing when he recommended to Donald Rumsfeld the authorization for the approval of 15 techniques of interrogation? He was saying to the Secretary of Defense, I'm your lawyer. I'm telling you this is fine. You can do it. If he hadn't done that, Mr. Rumsfeld would not have signed the piece of paper that Jim Haynes wrote. Jim Haynes is directly involved in the decision making process. And the lawyers, as such, play an absolutely key role. Now, at the end of the day, they're not the most important people. The most important people are the people whose signatures are actually appended. They are the politicians who actually decided the issue. But in this case, without the lawyers, they would never have had a piece of paper to sign.

www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05092008/transcript.html

Posted by DawnThe0riginaL on May 10, 2008 at 12:23 PM

Hi Dawnie! I have been missing you!!

Reagan let Pakistan go atomic in exchange for helping to fight the Soviets in Afghansitan -Charlie Wilson's war. So India had to compete and get its own bomb.

Then, since India didn't sign the non-proliferation treaty, the US companies should not be selling India nuclear fuel and technology. And why should the US want to make such an exception, that makes its tough stand on Iran and North Korea seem false and frivolous, when the Indian people don't want US nuclear reactors and all the strings attached to such a deal?

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Nuclear Blackout

But surely the most glaring omission in the film is the fateful trade-off accepted by President Ronald Reagan when he agreed not to complain about Pakistan’s efforts to acquire a nuclear weapons capability in exchange for Pakistani cooperation in helping the Afghan rebels.

On page 463 of his book, Crile characterizes this deal or understanding as “the dirty little secret of the Afghan war” –- General Zia al-Haq’s ability to extract not only “massive aid” from Washington but also to secure Reagan’s acquiescence in Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program via a congressional waiver of U.S. nonproliferation laws in December 1981.

www.consortiumnews.com/2008/050108a.html

Posted by DawnThe0riginaL on May 10, 2008 at 12:23 PM

Hi, Dawn.

Would you like a mango...or some nuclear fuel?

For the last time, Burdbrain, we hate what Republicans have done to America...not America or for that matter even some individual Republicans.

What us it about high gas and food prices, endless war, waterboarding, and Jena's bridesmaids dresses that you like?

Good afternoon, all.

Check out the spelling. That is a zero not a capital 'O'.

Posted by DawnThe0riginaL on May 10, 2008 at 12:23 PM

My guess is that it is NOT.

Posted by Dr_Elroy_McBurd on May 10, 2008 at 12:44 PM

I posted to you months ago that Obama would be the nominee. I also have more recently asked you this question:

"Can you say President Obama? No, I didn't think so. You better start practicing."

You never answered the question, "Have you started practicing?"

And as far as your mentally defective nominee, Senator McNuts, Obama is going to wipe the deck with him. It doesn't matter how much you try to swift boat him.

DPD,

Why do you think I offered it some nuclear fuel? With any luck they would blow themselves up and the RNC headquarters with them.

Posted by TomN on May 10, 2008 at 12:35 PM

Thanks for posting the Moyers interview, I missed it last night.

John Yoo Law of the White House (Now a Professor at University of California, Berkeley)

Should John Yoo be tried for his White House edicts that was based not on law but his own personal beliefs? Should the World Court indict him on his opinions on waterboarding and torture? Should John You have a legal degree to practice and teach law, especially Constitutional law? Should he be impeached by Congress and "We the people" for crimes against the constitution?

Posted by YoungPoet on May 10, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Clinton is a divider, not a uniter. She blew that image with her negative campaigning, besides, as close as she's gotten to McCain, he'll probably ask her to run as his VP.
Obama/Edwards, Obama/Kucinich, Obama/Biden, Obama/Vilsak, Obama/Dean, Obama/Richardson.
There's so many better choices here.

McNuts is toast.

Clinton 47, McCain 38, Undecided 11.

Obama 46, McCain 40, Undecided 9.

Margin of error: +/-3%.

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama beat John McCain in Los Angeles Times poll

Posted by SandyH on May 10, 2008 at 01:12 PM

I'm disappointed! i was hoping the real Dawn was back!

I've been up since 3AM ct, I'm going to take a nap! Later..

butte, *Obama/Richardson*

Posted by Butte on May 10, 2008 at 01:18 PM

I am glad you said it, that she is getting closer and closer to McCain and could be his VP. This has crossed my mind before, for why is she attracting Russ Limbaugh voters, Ann Coulter voices and going on FoxNews. She could get the nod if Lieberman does not get it first. Hillary with McCain, they can use her Goodwill Bush Ambassadors to undermine McCain constitution with Clinton Kitchen Sink directives.

I was going neutral until Bill went on the attack with a Obama supporter. Is Hillary to only way, so a Democratic Party can survive?

With the Republican Party devastated, it seems they need a Democratic Progrssive infusion.

Afternoon all good Dems!
Can't stay - I'm off to a cookout where I intend to tell everyone about Tuke For Tennessee. (Running for Senate). I've printed out some literature from the Internet that I'm going to give to them. I have a goal - give literature and talk to a minimum of 2 people per day and Mr. Tuke and his campaign.

But, on to the reason that I'm here today!. This week alone, I've probably gotten two dozen emails about Sen. Obama not wearing his flag pin! Below is what I sent back to them. Please feel free to copy the following and paste it into any email that you send to any Republicans. That should get their attention!

McCain insulted, called wife a cu** in public and cheated on his wife
Recently the Republicans have been struck with new scandals: many have dared to comment on Cliff Schecter`s book “The Real McCain”, which reveals the most intimate secrets from his past.
He notoriously called his wife a cu** in public, while a statement from Bush`s camp in 2000 did not help him either.
According to him, McCain has a colored child with his mistress, which is not a big surprise since he claimed responsibility for the end of his marriage by confessing to an affair, although he did not state the other woman`s name.

Candidate who called senators idiots

The man who called his colleagues crazy and a**holes, now stands a shot at becoming the leader of the American people at the end of year. On one occasion, he told senator Cornyn: “Fuck You”, while he shouted “I`m calling you a fucking jerk” to Grassley. Although these were not the only outbursts, the media did not condemn him that much.
John was probably very angered by his colleagues or perhaps, he has a short temper, anyway, these statements have not harmed his so far. After all, he is human.
However, many believe that is something like that came out of the mouth of a Democrat, the media would call them mentally ill, unstable and extreme, but nobody holds a grudge against 71-year-old John, who now has the support of George W. Bush. Will it change? We will know after the presidential elections.

John McCain Affair
Links To Female Lobbyist Exposed
February 20, 2008 08:03 PM
Media-Loving McCain Now Avoiding Press: Time magazine's Michael Sherer reports:
In the wake of a scandalous New York Times story suggesting a romantic fling with a lobbyist, McCain arrived at a Ford Focus car assembly plant with a decidedly tense grin plastered across his face. His campaign staff promptly separated anyone with a pen or a tape recorder from the candidate. "The McCain campaign decided who they wanted on the tour, and it's only photographers," a nice lady from Ford announced after a reporter spotted the candidate behind a car chassis and tried to approach him.

....At the end of the day, McCain boarded the plane with his wife, his staff, and his daughter, Meghan, who trailed an entourage of friends, bound for Indianapolis. On another night, he would have sauntered to the back to chew the fat with reporters. But on this night, he only came half-way down the aisle, keeping a safe distance. "Everybody happy?" he called out. "Fun day. Fun day." McCains eyebrows bounced up and down to signal his sarcasm.
His question, of course, was rhetorical. He didn't want to hear anything more. Before anyone could answer he had wheeled around and gone back to his seat, beyond the reach of reporters and their notebooks for just a while longer.
Washington Monthly's Kevin Drum comments: "Look, there's no two ways about it it: this is very weird behavior. If there were really no story here, McCain wouldn't be avoiding reporters. He'd be yukking it up and insisting to a sympathetic press corps that he was the subject of a comically thin hit job from the Times. Instead he's acting almost like a caricature of a guilty man. What's going on here?"
McCain Caught In Contradiction: Newsweek's Michael Isikoff reports:
A sworn deposition that Sen. John McCain gave in a lawsuit more than five years ago appears to contradict one part of a sweeping denial that his campaign issued this week to rebut a New York Times story about his ties to a Washington lobbyist.

On Wednesday night the Times published a story suggesting that McCain might have done legislative favors for the clients of the lobbyist, Vicki Iseman, who worked for the firm of Alcalde & Fay. One example it cited were two letters McCain wrote in late 1999 demanding that the Federal Communications Commission act on a long-stalled bid by one of Iseman's clients, Florida-based Paxson Communications, to purchase a Pittsburgh television station.
Just hours after the Times's story was posted, the McCain campaign issued a point-by-point response that depicted the letters as routine correspondence handled by his staff--and insisted that McCain had never even spoken with anybody from Paxson or Alcalde & Fay about the matter. "No representative of Paxson or Alcalde & Fay personally asked Senator McCain to send a letter to the FCC," the campaign said in a statement e-mailed to reporters.
But that flat claim seems to be contradicted by an impeccable source: McCain himself. "I was contacted by Mr. Paxson on this issue," McCain said in the Sept. 25, 2002, deposition obtained by NEWSWEEK. "He wanted their approval very bad for purposes of his business. I believe that Mr. Paxson had a legitimate complaint."

McCain's Closest Advisers Mostly Lobbyists: The Washington Post publishes another damning front page story highlighting McCain's deep ties to lobbyists:
[W]hen McCain huddled with his closest advisers at his rustic Arizona cabin last weekend to map out his presidential campaign, virtually every one was part of the Washington lobbying culture he has long decried. His campaign manager, Rick Davis, co-founded a lobbying firm whose clients have included Verizon and SBC Telecommunications. His chief political adviser, Charles R. Black Jr., is chairman of one of Washington's lobbying powerhouses, BKSH and Associates, which has represented AT&T, Alcoa, JP Morgan and U.S. Airways.

Senior advisers Steve Schmidt and Mark McKinnon work for firms that have lobbied for Land O Lakes, the UST Public Affairs, Dell and Fannie Mae. [...]
In McCain's case, the fact that lobbyists are essentially running his presidential campaign -- most of them as volunteers -- seems to some people to be at odds with his anti-lobbying rhetoric. "He has a closer relationship with lobbyists than he lets on," said Melanie Sloan of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. "The problem for McCain being so closely associated with lobbyists is that he's the candidate most closely associated with attacking lobbyists."
Public Citizen, a group that monitors campaign fundraising, has found that McCain had more bundlers -- people who gather checks from networks of friends and associates -- from the lobbying community than any other presidential candidate from either party.

Cheney: Bagdad’s Disneyland-Style Amusement Park Is Evidence That Things Are Going ‘Swimmingly’ In Iraq»

May 9th, 2008

Today, Vice President Cheney appeared on The Paul Gallow Show in Mississippi. During the interview, he and the host lamented the media’s alleged bias in its Iraq coverage, suggesting that they should cover more good news — such as the Disneyland-style amusement park being developed for Baghdad:

GALLOW: You know, I look at this, and every once in a while, we’ll see a story, Mr. Vice President, things like an amusement park opens in Iraq or in Baghdad, which is totally counter to what we’re hearing over here, as far as the marketplaces being open, the schools, and things such as that. But I saw a story several weeks ago about an amusement center maybe over there, and I’m thinking this is not what you get in today’s media.

CHENEY: No, that’s true. It’s — what gets covered obviously is bad news. That’s — you know, if everything is going swimmingly, then that’s not news, so it doesn’t get the kind of attention.

Cheney and Gallow must be living in Never Never Land. This amusement park is not good news.

The Pentagon is fast-tracking the development of the “Baghdad Zoo and Entertainment Experience, a massive American-style amusement park that will feature a skateboard park, rides, a concert theatre and a museum.” The firm designing the project also developed Disneyland. The financier, Llewellyn Werner, has admitted that he is doing the project not to help Iraq, but because he wants to make boatloads of money:

After explaining skate…boarding, Werner tells the assembled Iraqi business and government men, “I’m a businessman. I’m not here because I think you’re nice people. I think there’s money to be made here.”

More significantly, the Pentagon is also now backing a $5 billion plan to create a “zone of influence” around the new $700 million U.S. embassy. The area will include luxury hotels, a shopping center, and condos in an effort to “transform” the Green Zone into a “centerpiece for Baghdad’s future.”

In Iraq, however, many people are opposed to the plan. Some U.S. embassy officials have called the plan “unrealistic.” One added that Iraqis, a majority of whom oppose the U.S. presence, are unlikely to want the U.S. to “turn this area into downtown Kansas City.”

It’s hard to report that things are going swimmingly…when they’re not.

thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/cheney-amusement-iraq/

(Emphasis mine.)

I didn't know Kansas City didn't have reliable electricity and a sewage system? Times sure have changed in BushWorld.

Well, scap that mini-vacation this summer...as if I would drive there with gasoline going to be $4 a gallon...and half the bridges between here and there are crumbling.

You know Hollywood couldn't write a movie script this ironic and bizzare. We do indeed live in strange times.

bbl.

"Obama hinted that he might help Clinton retire her campaign debt if he prevails."

Link

This is wrong that money meant for a specific reason of electing one candidate is diverted to another different presidential campaign as a gift or a bribe. We need concrete accountability, where these funds go for individual campaigns, not to be used at the whim to support another fellow politician in the open or in secrecy.

Posted by marymac_memphis on May 10, 2008 at 01:53 PM

Send them this:

United States Code Title 4 Chapter 1 — The Flag

(...)

§8. Respect for flag

(...)

d. The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

Flag Rules and Regulations

So tell those assholses that COSTUME JEWELRY IS "wearing apparel".

"Cheney: Bagdad’s Disneyland-Style Amusement Park"

sureal. i'm sure w/everything going on in the average honest taxpaying americans' everyday lives this would be just what they would want to read and hear about. shotgun dick and his slick new disneyland in iraq. discount tickets anyone?

Close-in supporters of Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign are convinced he never will offer the vice presidential nomination to Sen. Hillary Clinton for one overriding reason: Michelle Obama. =========================================== A footnote: Lieberman recently approached one prominent supporter of Hillary Clinton with a suggestion that he consider supporting McCain if Barack Obama is nominated.

Link

With Lieberman supporting McCain he is proving he is more a Progressive Republicans, than a Progressive Democrat.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/10/us/politics/10clinton.html?em&ex=1210564800&en=8b78d3451fee8e53&ei=5087%0A

For First Time, More Superdelegates Favor Obama

Posted by america1st on May 10, 2008 at 02:16 PM

It gets worse. The "TIGRIS WOODS GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB"

So all the rich Blackwater types and War profiteers have something to do when they are tired of raping female employees.

Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on May 10, 2008 at 02:25 PM

The military spending our money on an Iraqi Country Club, while military barracks are slums. The Bush insanity of Mission Accomplished Bush Blunder spending, how it costs America.

The Bush insanity of Mission Accomplished Bush Blunder spending, how it costs America.

Posted by YoungPoet on May 10, 2008 at 02:46 PM

Poet,

And how it's hurts America.

Yet the GOP trolls come in here and say we hate it. When it is us who cry for what's been done and pray that it's not too late to save it.

You can kind of understand how Claudius must have felt as he wrote his history of the fall of Rome. Insanity cloaked in false honor is still insanity.

So then, do black holes really exist in the universe and their anti-matter forces gobble up all the pure matter that surround them?

Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on May 10, 2008 at 02:25 PM

"Hey, caddie. Is that a golf ball or mortar shell?

Posted by SandyH on May 10, 2008 at 03:15 PM

As Cookie Jill @ "Skippy the Bush Kangaroo" put it:

putting a new spin to the phrase..."bunker shot"
in "the twilight zone...." of tigris woods golf.

I am very concerned with the Clinton Establishment continuing in the race. This is an indication that they are thinking of ways to not respect the voice of the people. I urge all independents to stay close to the events over the next couple of weeks. If the Clintons steal the nomination it will be time for a punishment vote against the DNC and the establishment. Our options for a punishment vote lie with either John Mcain or Ralph Nader. Say no to the politics of old and say loud Yes We Can. It is time for change. Wake up DNC and nominate the candidate of change. The candidate that will vindicate our country in the eyes of the world and begin the process of restoring the beacon of light on the top of the hill and the experiment that our founding fathers began. This experiment has been the model and inspiration for many around the world. Say it out load YES WE CAN, Independents for Obama but not the Clintons. The Democrats will unite behind the candidate but not the independents. We will only stand behind Obama.

Posted by YoungPoet on May 10, 2008 at 02:46 PM
The money that the contractors are spending doesn't even get to the military where its needed most. It's divvied up at the Secretary level, and most of it's going to the contractors. Sure, they'll let the high-ranking yes-men play, and even some Iraqi officials, but most of the customers will be civilian contractors.
Private Snuffy sure isn't getting anything out of it. That's for durn sure!

"Tigris Woods Golf and Country Club"

yep, the...

*BUSH-CHENEY IRAQMIRE MAGIC KINGDOM*

paid for by we loyal honest taxpayin' americans. gosh, maybe we middle class folks can get free one time admission passes? maybe a discount flight on airforce one? wow dick and w, whatcha think?

LOL--conservative Democrat? Most people who are "conservative Democrats" would call themselves moderates.

You have a Master's Degree and spell attract as attrack? LOL

I am a liberal, I am a Democrat, I am 51. My grammer sucks and yup, I'll be voting for a Democrat in November.

Conservative Democrat is an Oxymoron. I think it is Bushispeak for Republican.

Hey Dawn,
Keep the faith girl. Most of us have became silent; but we are still very much committed.
heart broken and red faced mad:(
-Hope

Iraq War Protest 29 West Coast Ports

Dockworkers take May Day off, idling all West Coast ports

Their union says the action is to protest the war in Iraq, but port operators and shippers say it's an attempt to influence their contract.

Link

So the Bush White House crime family is going to send in his IRS and U.S. Rove Attorney Generals for Patriot Act violations by the Longshoremen for demonstrating against the Iraq War. "We the people" must support Mission Accomplished WMD "Lies," under Bush intimidation.

anyone want to bet me that come October, after the stimulus package has relieved the economy worries (falsely), and Bush parades Osama Bin Laden out in front of all of America- How smart do you think you people will be with Obama as our nominee? -He will not win in November; and I will never forgive this party for fucking this up so bad. Oh and by the way Butte, I am a moderate democrat that has been a card carrying democrat that has always voted a straight Dem ticket, worked the polls, phone banked, contributed, and this year I am sitting on my hands.

Posted by SandyH on May 10, 2008 at 03:08 PM

Good post, good points.

I am a conservative Democrat. I will have a difficult time voting for Obama as I see him too Liberal. I have a Master's Degree, make a lot of money...

Posted by Squirrelly on May 10, 2008 at 03:59 PM

No, you are "squirrelly."

Most people I know with advanced degrees are in private contractor hell and not making enough money to do anything but get by from job to job.

I don't doubt that you are conservative. But do you really expect us to believe that you prefer Hillary's "socialized" medical plan over Obama's free market one? (I personally prefer her plan.)

You don't like Hillary, Obama, or McCain. You aren't even too thrilled with Bush and Cheney any longer.

Can´t you be honest with yourself? Its the old broads fat ass that would drop the bridges.

Posted by Dr_Elroy_McBurd on May 10, 2008 at 04:34 PM

I assume you are speaking about your fan favorite, Hillary? She will cross those bridges when she comes to them....sometime between now and the convention?

Obama does not need Hillary as a VP to win over the working class. There are others available to bring these into his base.

The best choice that I would advocate is an:

Obama/Tester

ticket. Sen. John Tester (D-MT), is not a Washington insider, so he fits the message of Change. He is a hard working class, gun toting, church going, Democrat that will be very effective communicating with small town and rural America. Montana is part of the great plains and Mountain west. With Tester in the fold Obama will put Montana, Idaho, North & South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Wyoming, Colorado and Nevada into play for a possible 36 electors. He will also have appeal in Texas, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Alabama, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, and Ohio because of hunting, public lands access, and mining industry, for an additional 114 possible electors. Obama has strength in the Northwest, Great Lakes states, Atlantic sea board and the West Coast. Between the two of them the electoral map will expand dramatically.

Obama/Tester '08

Does anybody besides me remember Gilda Radner's "Baba Wawa" Sketches? "Dis is my kwock, an' dis is my toastoo," as Baba showed us around her"'partment." Now, with a new book to pimp the real Barbara Walters is not abashed to kiss and tell. I was always a little embarassed for Gilda about her making fun of somebody's speech impediment, but now I think she understood Walters' true character much better than I. Maybe all "celebrities" DO know each other. In any case, stay active!

Does anybody besides me remember Gilda Radner's "Baba Wawa" Sketches? "Dis is my kwock, an' dis is my toastoo," as Baba showed us around her"'partment." Now, with a new book to pimp the real Barbara Walters is not abashed to kiss and tell. I was always a little embarassed for Gilda about her making fun of somebody's speech impediment, but now I think she understood Walters' true character much better than I. Maybe all "celebrities" DO know each other. In any case, stay active!

I can't wait to see how angry the riduculous, displaced anger on the sleve wearing, republicans will be in the fall. They should follow their own demands they made on dems and bow down to President Obama. Never disagree with him or they will not be patriots. Hahahahahaha These are some of the most miserable people in the world, funny thing is, they created the misery. Dr. Elrod - you don't know anger!

Way to go. Something else for President Asshole to blow up. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa.

We are probably paying for it too. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa.

The agreement to construct a 40 kilometer-long bridge between Bahrain and Qatar in the Persian Gulf has been signed in Manama, Bahrain’s capital, the Bahraini newspaper Al Ayam said on May 7.

Bridge of Love across Persian Gulf to be 40 kilometers long

How generous of the cheap pricks at Chevron. They are giving $2 million to aid agencies for Myanmar.
Wow. That will make a big dent in their $50 billion profit for the second quarter.

Oh, I see, they seem to have a gas pipeline crossing the country. I knew there was a motive. cheney probably owns stock too.

Chevron to give $2 million to help Myanmar cyclone victims

Posted by TMH on May 10, 2008 at 05:26 PM
Wait a minute! Let's get some more representation in Congress first! Put Tester in as VP, and Montana has a Republican NONrepresentative in the House and our other senator is a Republi-lite from the get-go!
That leaves Montana with only 1/2 a vote in the senate!
And then we will have to go through that damned Republican dirty campaigning twice!
Let's keep Tester, we need him!

Small minded D Cactus - drilling for oil that will bring about a years worth of oil without addressing the long term problems is short sighted. Bush has already set us back 20 years in energy. We could have took that 1 trillion he spent fishing for oil in Iraq and invested in, profit grabing, non-senseical band aide solutions from the republican crooks. We intend to help our children and grandchildren with long term solutions, just as soon as we get rid of your stupid asses. Vote Democrat

CORRECTION - We could have taken that 1 trillion bush spent fishing for oil in Iraq, for himself, and invested in hydro, solar and wind energies, instead of profit grabing, non-senseical band aid solutions from the republican crooks. You are a typical uneducated fool, that believe's everything told to you by Faux News and conservative radio. I bet you still believe that the media is liberal. hahahhahaha Oh yeah, I rememeber Dick telling crowds that the taxpayers could pay for the ice roads in alaska and his company Haliburton was ready to drill. Vote Democrat and you could save your sorry soul.

hey newsjunkie, I think the Dems should put up a big drill right in the troll, AZ Danny's back yard! What do you think? Let them rip out all of what little nature is in AZ, let them crank night and day, let them drizzle out a few gals.
They are jokes, all of them ! Nothing but blubbering idiots about drilling for oil, when there is none to be had. Alaska has very very little when it is all said and done. Maybe these guys don't REALIZE that the US companies EXPORT the majority of their oil to other countries, and that is why we don't have enough!!!!! That is why Exxon/Mobil made $81 BILLION dollars of profit last year, largest of any corporation in History!

Hey Fat Dan, why don't you and your kids go join this Iraqi joke of an occupation. After all, only the good die young, so you and your kid should be just fine!

Loggin out , Fine Dems.

Happy Mother's Day to all my Democratic friends. Hang in there.

Night, Night..............

I am very concerned with the Clinton Establishment continuing in the race... The Democrats will unite behind the candidate but not the independents. We will only stand behind Obama.

Posted by ThinkFlorida on May 10, 2008 at 03:26 PM

I totally disagree. At this very moment, thousands of people are furiously canvassing, phone banking, and making one-on-one, face-to-face contacts with voters in West Virginia, an important swing state.

People who have never worked a ground campaign have no idea how much work needs to be done for November. Having a serious primary is the best and ONLY way to get ready for November. I wish these people knew what it's like to have a poster of the county, and try to get it all covered for an election, with not that many people willing to do all the grunt work.

BTW, do you think Republicans are updating lists and going door=to-door in WV? No. All they have are some seriously dedicated Anti-abortion church crowds doing the base GOTV for them. But this does not reach the independents. Without a doubt, have a hard=fought primary makes the State/County/City/Precinct organizations stronger. Why? Because they are FURIOUSLY ORGANIZING NOW.

I also disagree with your blanket statement that independents will only support Obama. Given the choice, 8 years of Clinton's peace and surpluses, and the change to 8 years of Bush's war and deficits, most independents will jump for joy at the chance to return to DEMOCRAT'S peace and prosperity.

Besides, many people know understand the Republican's wrong priorities, and Ken Starr's partisan witch hunt. Clinton/Gore won the independents TWICE before. They will come back.

In closing, WV and later primary states are getting crucial work done for November. Clinton/Gore's track record will bring the independents back AGAIN, and in Florida today, Clinton wins big, Mr/Mrs ThinkFlorida.

Do I need to repost the story about the record Democratic voter registration in ALL-IMPORTANT PENNSYLVANIA thanks to a very competitive primary?

Thanks to the all the people who did the GOTV in PA, and all the people who are doing the GOTV work in WV now, Democrats are well on their way to winning both states in November. GO DEMS!

(Gov. Dean, tell this to the pansies who want to stop the contest, and slow the organizing to a stand still... like the Republicans. LOL.)

Obama/Clinton: America's ONLY HOPE!

Goodnight Pam.

Butte,

It is a bad time for republicans. We can get another Dem in his seat. I'm hoping we can even kick Rehberg out this time, there is no better time. Since Hillary and gang have and continue to hammer negativity towards Obama winning the working class, then he will have to put an outdoorsman on the ticket. Hillary, after the way she ran her campaign should not be anywhere near the ticket. Obama/Clinton ticket will be counter productive and I honestly believe that she is too polarizing and has succeeded in attempts to make Obama polarized. If they are on a ticket together they may lose 30% to 50% of those that voted for both of them.

Obama needs a fresh ticket and Hillary needs to support that ticket for the best outcome.

Posted by TMH on May 10, 2008 at 08:46 PM
Got a point, I have to admit. But as far as an outdoorsman on the ticket, yes, I think it's time that the Democrats lost that one-law-fits-no-one gun-control-nut image, but the Republicans will still lie through their teeth on that issue, just like they did in 2004.

D--- cactus, Oh yeah who told you the US govt. has spent billions on solar energy, bill o'reilly? You are a typical ignorant republican voting jerk. The US government spent about 150 million, in 2007, on solar research. Compared to 2 billion a week x 52 weeks in Iraq for a grand total of 104 billion dollars in Iraq in 2007 vs. 150 million for solar R & D. So go get somewhere where people actually want to beleive your lies. And by the way, it is your mother that should have had the abortion.

Lately, I've had this bad feeling about Obama. Not him personally, I, unlike the people who thought gw had good character, actually am a good judge of character. Obama has great character and integrity and loves the little guy. Unlike, the privledged bush, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, Obama has seen poverty as a child, and despises it. The problem is that when I look at the demographics of who he will win I don't have the stomach for a close race. As much as Hillary has shown some bad colors I think we need her on the ticket as VP. The ole Good Cop/Bad Cop - Hillary being the bad cop of course. She can play the republicans game she has learned from them, while obama is above the fray. Anyone with problems with Wright, will say to themselves, well at least Hillary is there. We have to get out of Iraq period before these lunatic republicans get us all killed.

Good evening, all.

I think this speaks for itself....

Leader of GOP convention quits after Myanmar ties reported

Sat May 10

ST. PAUL, Minn. - The man picked by the John McCain campaign to run the 2008 Republican National Convention resigned Saturday after a report that his lobbying firm used to represent the military regime in Myanmar.

Doug Goodyear resigned as convention coordinator and issued a two sentence statement:

"Today I offered the convention my resignation so as not to become a distraction in this campaign. I continue to strongly support John McCain for president, and wish him the best of luck in this campaign."

Goodyear, chief executive of lobbying firm DCI Group, resigned a few hours after Newsweek posted a story posted online that the company was paid $348,000 in 2002 and 2003 to represent Myanmar's junta.

"We respect Mr. Goodyear's decision, and look forward to the convention in September," said Brian Rogers, a spokesman for the McCain campaign...

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080510/ap_on_el_pr/gop_convention_resignation

McCain and his lobbyist-saturated campaign staff have so many dubious clients that we are probably just witnessing the tip of the iceberg here. How many other rotten apples are in the GOP pork barrel?

Let this be a lesson to any candidate who has someone in their campaign who has been doing lobbyist work for foreign dictators. It can hurt the Party down the road.

You are wrong. Just like a republican, you think that strength lies in never admiting to your mistakes. So shallow.

Just like the typical republican, the only come back you ever have is "Harvard or Yale." Why is it that the typical republican belittles those who have graduated from college. Probably because the typical republican never went to college therefore they are jealous or just plain ignorant as to what it takes for the average american to accomplish such an achievement. Bush went to college and you love him. I bet his mommy and daddy paid for it too.

You dumb republicans insult millions of ordinary people when you insult education. Many have worked to put themselves through school. While their friends were having a good time at night, they were in class 3 hours a night four days a week, not to mention the homework. Instead of buying clothes thoses students chose to buy books, they were doing what they believed was a good thing for themselves and the country. After all a stupid country is just stupid. I guess that is what the repugs do, they insult education because they know once you have one, you would never vote republican, unless of course you are a millionaire.

BILL MOYERS:There's another witness who appeared this week when you did, David Rivkin, a lawyer, lots of government experience, lots of experience in the law. And he directly challenged you in his testimony.

DAVID RIVKIN: "I think that it is a moral copout to argue that coercive techniques did not work. Because if they don't work, there would be nothing to debate. Coercive techniques do work. There's plenty of evidence to that effect."

PHILIPPE SANDS:Look, Bill, I've spent 20 years during courtroom work as a litigating lawyer. I like to see evidence on things. I like arguments to be based on evidence. David Rivkin is unable to provide any evidence. I have honed in on the interrogation of one man, detainee 063. The administration has publicly declared they got a mass of information out of him that related to all sorts of extraordinarily important things to protect the Americans.

I then spoke to the people who were involved in his actual interrogation and the head of his Exploitation Team. That's not what they told me. If the evidence I had been given had been different, then I would reach possibly a different conclusion. Not as to the legality or the utility of torture, but what do we do in the face of evidence that it works? But there isn't evidence that it works. The British experience is that it doesn't work. The Spanish experience is that it doesn't work. The Egyptian experience is that it doesn't work, in the sense of producing meaningful information that is going to protect a country. Sure, it produces information. But as John McCain said in his interview in 1997, it produces the wrong information. Because someone who's subject to that sort of pain and suffering is going to do anything they can to stop it from happening. And they will tell the person who is abusing them what the person wants to hear, and nothing more and nothing less.

www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05092008/transcript.html

This is where we have McOldguy in a headlock.

McCain was tortured until he denounced the USA and admitted to war crimes when he was a prisoner in Vietnam. He is testimony that torture produces false information.

Some of the crucial CIA evidence that was used by this administration, that was presented to congress and the public, was obtained by torture.

McCain says, by first hand evidence, that torture does not work, then votes to attack a sovereign nation based on uncorroborated evidence obtained by torture. And then continues to consider this occupation of Iraq a good idea and condone harsh interrogation techniques. He's got some explaining to do to the public.

Posted by newsjunkie on May 10, 2008 at 10:09 PM

That appeal to the Right will not be there in the fall.

We will win this thing with Independents and new voters. We can't keep reaching back to the Dixiecrats. They have found the place where they belong with the Republicans.

There are some Reagan Democrats who still have economic and humanitarian/spiritual ties with us who want to come home. They are more than welcome and we must greet them with open arms.

However, those who can't see past the color of someone's skin or their gender/sexual orientation would be better off if they stayed right where they are.

We must build a new coalition without all that baggage which will just slow us down.

Don't let that feeling fool you. The GOP and MSM are trying to break your confidence in real change. Remember only those that embrace change can survive in an uncertain world.

Trickle down and neocon imperialism failed.

hello fine dems.

Posted by TomN on May 10, 2008 at 10:54 PM

TomN,

He may be past the point of explaining. McCain doesn't seem to know the difference between what he's said in the past and what he is saying now.

He's internalized all his feelings, past and present, and turned them into a new logic that only makes sense to himself. That's delusional behavior.

It goes beyond losing his bearings...it smacks of political expediency on steriods. This guy has corrupted himself and wears it as a badge of honor.

Bush listens to what he thinks is God. McCain forsakes what he considers is an inferior God. Without any moral compass, this guy could go way past mass murder.

Bomb, bomb Iran is just the way he sees it. It's just an action without any repercussions in his mind. Nothing stands in his way.

Spooky, isn't it?

Posted by *D____Cactus*__ on May 10, 2008 at 11:07 PM

If the only education you received was how to whine and call this country stupid, then it was time and money wasted.

I'm curious, what is your degree in?

Billions have been spent on solar and wind energy, other than keeping worthless faculty at some universities in paying jobs, it has yet to yield very much, look it up, maybe you can educate yourself, dumbass.

Posted by *D____Cactus*__ on May 10, 2008 at 08:44 PM

Cactus-Dumb_ss,
I don't see where you answered newsjunkies question;

who told you the US govt. has spent billions on solar energy, bill o'reilly?

If you know what you are talking about, it should be easy. If you are a typical republican dupe, all you have is the RNC answer in the form of a talking point. Show us how smart you are (or aren't). Answer the question.

After all a stupid country is just stupid. I guess that is what the repugs do, they insult education because they know once you have one, you would never vote republican, unless of course you are a millionaire.

Posted by newsjunkie on May 10, 2008 at 10:52 PM

They insult anyone who is smart enough to figure it out...college grad or not.

It's all about easy money. Most Republians are just criminals that were lucky enough to have inherited a little capital to get them started off in their careers of crime.

There may be a really good reason why Cindy Who doesn't want anyone looking into her tax returns. Has she been involved in some way in a lot of blind trusts/partnerships set up by her father that could land her in political if not legal hot water if they ever see the light of day?

As long as she paid her taxes (unlike Capone), the IRS has left her alone? Let's face it, McCain may very well be married to the mob.

While the Bushs started their own crime family?

There are petty crooks and then there are rich petty-ante criminals. It doesn't take a college degree to figure that out.

The average working American has had their pockets picked enough in the last eight years to know that Republicans only look out for themselves...and will break any law to do it.

Good night, all. Have a Happy Mother's Day.

Less severely impacted is DOE's solar R&D budget which faces a reduction of only 1.3 percent, from $85.07 million in FY 05 to $83.95 million in FY 06. The solar industry has sought to put a positive spin on its reduction calling the budget request "essentially status quo funding" while applauding a "promising new initiative to advance the development of crystalline silicon solar power."

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/reinsider/story?id=23074

Once again, in true republican dupe fashion, Cactus-dumb_ss doesn't know what he is talking about. That is usally a really good indication that they count on faux news for their information. You know, like those 33% who still have not figure out that there were no WMD's in Iraq.

Posted by Squirrelly on May 10, 2008 at 11:42 PM

Thanks squirrelly, that's the stupidest thing I have heard all week. You must be a Bush/McLame supporter if you are that stupid.

Posted by newsjunkie on May 10, 2008

If the only education you received was how to whine and call this country stupid, then it was time and money wasted.

You could have built a raft and floated to Cuba for free, asshat.

Posted by *D____Cactus*__ on May 10, 2008 at 11:07 PM

I am continually amazed at the size of the balls on fuckheads like this, to continually insinuate that THEY and dickwads like them are this country. If we say Bush is an idiot, then we are insulting America....what major fucking cojones that takes. (Btw, Bush is NOT an idiot, he's a piece of shit evil fucking conservative whose fucking success at enacting conservative policies has just about destroyed this country. Conservatism is just not sustainable over the long run.)

Well, I guess that makes sense. I knew a guy with big balls once...course they weren't REALLY big, they just seemed that way next to his miniscule penis. I suppose that is probably the problem with conservatives too. Too many steroids, you think?

Here is an example of how stupid the reporters are for the MSM:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/09/west.virginia/index.html

If Obama gets the nomination and it looks like the only way he can win is to get those West Virginia Democrats back, you can be sure he will think seriously about asking Clinton to go on the ticket.

WV has 5 electoral college votes. FIVE!!!
Yeah, Obama is going to put Hllary on the ticket to get FIVE Electoral College votes. PUH-LEASE.
Bill Schneider is a fool.

With Politician/lobbyists representing Myanmar, Columbia, Dubai, and other foreign interests, who represents "We the people - Made in America?" Oh yeah, Cheney represents Chevron, the big oil companies, and his Halliburton buddies. What politician has pledged allegiance to this nation's people?

SandyH - I hope you are right. Also, I never meant to imply that only those that went to college could figure the repugs out. Just addressing the repug cactus on the issue of insulting those who have graduated from college.

Spooky, isn't it?

Posted by SandyH on May 10, 2008 at 11:24 PM

SandyH,

Senile McLame, can't remember stuff now, what would he be like in 4 years if elected? End up like a senile Reagun, with corrupt cronies and crooks set free in the white house to pillage and hide the crimes?

I don't get why Clinton didn't go after that gang of thugs when he had the chance. Cause he gave them a chance to come back with a an even dumber executive, and bigger bags to carry off more taxpayer loot.

With the EU going after Microsoft for anti-trust violations, then they plus the U.S. need to go after OPEC.

Hey, your head spins around just following these events, and explodes when you see the justice dept and media ignore it and give them a free pass.

Where is truth and justice? Why did that horse throw and criple and kill Superman?
-----------

Prewar claims 'sourced from rendition detainee'

* Simon Jeffery, Rosalind Ryan and agencies
* guardian.co.uk,
* Friday December 9 2005

The practice of "extraordinary rendition" was today again in the spotlight with claims that the detainee who supplied the Bush administration's pre-war claims linking al-Qaida to Iraq did so in Egyptian custody.

Unnamed US government officials, quoted in the New York Times, said Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, a Libyan, made his most specific claims after the US handed him over to interrogators from a third country.

Claims from the officials that Al-Libi later admitted to inventing the allegations in order to avoid harsh treatment backed up earlier suggestions from Colin Powell's chief of staff at the time of the war that al-Libi was possibly tortured.

Lawrence Wilkerson, Mr Powell's senior aide, last month told the BBC that new information had suggested al-Libi's statements "were obtained through interrogation techniques other than those authorised by the Geneva [conventions]."

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/dec/09/iraq.alqaida

There’s a lot to be said about contentment; some folks never get enough.
Let me ask you honey, which is better? A mansion full of money, or a trailer full of love?

There’s a lot to be said about acceptance; liking who you are and having peace of mind.
The secret’s being happy with your lot in life, baby, And I’m pretty happy here in lot number nine.

Living in aluminum.

-Antsy McClain

and his- The Aluminum Rule: Enjoy the Ride

See ya,

Squirelly, Obama can't give the illegals all of our jobs because the republicans already did. What Obama can do, is the job the republicans don't want to do, make them pay federal income taxes

O
I need sleep.
syt

Posted by *D____Cactus*__ on May 11, 2008 at 01:07 AM
You are such a stupid fool.
First, you never answered the question. What is your degree in? I'm guessing it is in ignorance. Must be a masters degree. But please answer the question unless you are ashamed of your level of education.

Second, provide a source for your claim that "Billions" have been invested. You seem to be so stupid that you want to claim that $86 Million has been invested each year for

"30 + years"

Posted by *D____Cactus*__ on May 11, 2008 at 01:07 AM
This is typical of stupid republican dupes/trolls. They cannot admit when they are wrong. They will always do one of three things:
1. Run and hide (like Bush and Cheney did rather than serve)
2. Try to confuse the issue to hide the fact that they were WRONG.
3. Change the subject and hope that no one notices that they were wrong and are a stupid fool.

All you have to do is watch Cactus_dumb_ss' responses and you will see him demonstrate all three of these.

Posted by *D____Cactus*__ on May 11, 2008 at 01:11 AM

Know that Cactus-dumb_ss is a republican. Look at his posts through this night. All reading this message board, ask yourself. Is this the type of person you want to be assiciated with? Here are a couple of examples of his posts:

Keep your faggy wet dreams to yourself.

Now I know this is hard for your "pea brain"

You could have built a raft and floated to Cuba for free, asshat.

I guess you commie asshats will go slap your mothers for not having an abortion. Be sure to tell her happy Mothers Day first.

Is this the type of person you want to be associated with???????????????

Vote for the Democrat in 2008.
Only fools will be voting for the republicans.

Okay,
I'll try this again. I need sleep. Good night all you great democrats.

I am sure that the fool Cactus_dumb-*ss will wait until I am gone and then post more of his stupid crap. He and Frosty always wait till people leave. They cannot compete one-on-one so they hide, then post.

G'night.

D---Cactass Only an immature moron has to get the last word in, even when the last word isn't very clever. Hang it up, your weak.

Wrong. That's how NRA Republicans talk. As if YOU know how factory workers, construction, and dock working UNION Democrats talk. HA!

I'll give you truck driver because anybody can have a CB radio... and your type frequents men's rooms at truck stops.

These trolls are so stupid... and forgetful. Obama already beat Keyes 70% to 27% in 2004. 27%... what were those idiots thinking? Probably the racist comment "Fabulous Frosty" just made, or the anti-choice crowd. Keyes is an idiot... no wonder Frosty likes him.

Okay, I'll tell you. I drive a truck, and I've seen your name writen on men's stall in some Northern towns... "for a good time, call fabulous Frosty xxx-xxx-xxxx."

I'm assuming that's why you call yourself fabulous? And since it's in several stalls North of I-80, you can add FAMOUS to your CB handle.

"Breaker 1-9, this is the FAMOUS fabulous frosty, stoppin at the Flyin J at exit 48. Today only, I'm giving family values discounts for people who flash me your RNC card."

It's really nice we have some have some real Christians out there. And it's nice to see the Republican "base" fracture too. But the Republicans still have the anti-Choice and anti-Constitution base left. HA! No wonder Mr. Fabulous is so worried about Gore and environmentalists:

Evangelicals press to fight global warming
By Jonathan J. Cooper
POST-DISPATCH WASHINGTON BUREAU
Friday, May. 09 2008

WASHINGTON — When the Senate takes up legislation next month to confront global warming, environmental groups will have some fervent new allies: evangelicals and other Christian activists.

Concerned about what they see as a moral and biblical issue, religious groups from the right are joining with environmental organizations from the left in supporting strong measures to fight global warming.

Some Christian leaders are using the clout they have built up in Republican circles to lobby conservatives in Congress to support regulations on greenhouse-gas emissions.

"When evangelicals speak, Republicans listen," said Richard Cizik, vice president of government affairs for the National Association of Evangelicals. "And Republicans, frankly, are listening to what we're saying."

For many religious groups, global warming isn't a political or environmental issue. It's a threat to God's creation.

"It's not a blue state, red state, scientific, or even a green issue," said Cizik, whose organization represents 45,000 churches. "It's a spiritual issue. And that, above all else, is why evangelical Christians should be concerned."

The once-tiny Christian environmental movement began accelerating quickly in 2006, when 85 prominent evangelical leaders signed on to the Evangelical Climate Initiative calling for action on global warming. The number has climbed
to more than 100.

"It's a bit out of the ordinary for evangelicals to be involved with this issue," said Jim Jewell, chief operating officer of the Evangelical
Environmental Network, a group that educates and mobilizes Christians on environmental issues. "The evangelical involvement with climate has kind of
shaken the political landscape a bit."

In March, dozens of prominent Southern Baptist leaders called on followers to acknowledge human contributions to global warming, and demanded bold action to address climate change.

They said the church's cautious approach was "too timid" in promoting stewardship of God's creation.

"To abandon these issues to the secular world is to shirk from our responsibility..." they declared. "The time for timidity regarding God's
creation is no more."

Jonathan Merritt, the 25-year-old seminary student from Atlanta who organized the Baptist environmental declaration, said younger Baptists in particular were relieved to see church leaders take a bold public stance.

Young religious voters aren't abandoning opposition to abortion and gay marriage — issues usually associated with the religious right — but they seem more willing than their parents to look at a broader spectrum of political
positions, Merritt said.

"Younger Christians are finding it more pressing to live a life that is consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ ... rather than toe a party line," Merritt said.

The Rev. Larry Rice, director of the New Life Evangelistic Center in St. Louis, has been an outspoken advocate for global warming legislation. The left-leaning minister said Missouri is "in the dark age when it comes to renewable energy"
and has argued for years that Christians have an obligation to protect the environment.

"There's an ethical principle that runs the whole thread of Christianity here," Rice said. "You can't just say that you love your neighbors as yourself and yet be totally indifferent to how your use of fossil fuels is directly contributing
to global warming around the world."

'CAP-AND-TRADE'

Evangelicals will join an army of lobbyists and lawmakers now suiting up for battle over the most sweeping environmental legislation in years, which the Senate intends to debate early in June.

The bill, sponsored by Sens. Joseph I. Lieberman, I-Conn., and John W. Warner, R-Va., would create a program known as "cap-and-trade" to limit harmful carbon dioxide emissions.

Under the bill, companies, individuals and government agencies would see their greenhouse gas emissions capped at an annually decreasing level, with the goal of setting emissions in 2050 at 30 percent of 2005 levels.

Entities that come in below their cap could sell their remaining credits to others that pollute beyond their limits. The effect is a sort of carbon tax that encourages pollution reduction.

The bill is already the subject of intense political gamesmanship. Some