Thank you, Michael.

Good morning, all!

Good morning Democrats, let concentrate on attack McBush's McCain principles.

Bill Clinton in West Virginia...things he should have left unsaid.

Bill Clinton in WV......he went down some roads that were best left untraveled.

...or lack of principles as the case may be...

G'mornin' Dems. Good thing we've been taking notes. McKook has left a lot of fodder a-layin' around. It seems to strike a nerve when he has his own words thrown back in his teeth. I'd love to see him publicly chewing a carpet before November. That should be light work, considering the daily gaffes and changes of position in his part.

Posted by sunny on May 12, 2008 at 10:32 AM

That stuff is very divisive: almost looks like it is calculated to so damage Obama that he loses to McCain, giving Hillary another shot at the presidency in 2012.

The test will come after Obama has the nomination and we see whether or not the Clinton's do any serious campaigning for Obama.

If I recall correctly, they distanced themselves, for what ever reason, from Al Gore when he was the candidate. At least, that's the way it looked to me.

We'll see if Obama gets the same treatment

I don't see how Bill Clinton could campaign for Obama in the general election given his (Clinton's) conduct in the primaries.

Posted by TheOriginalHillWilliam on May 12, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Morning Bill, I don't understand why McNuts what to a series of town hall debates with Obama.

Either he is a masochist and has a death wish or he already knows he is beaten and realizes he has nothing to lose.

The only reason he would do this is if he and his advisers already know how badly Obama is going to whip him.

why McNuts what to a series of town hall debates with Obama.

Should have read, "why McNuts wants to do a series of town hall debates with Obama"

g'morning hill, good, and all...i had a really scarry thought yesterday. obama said he's going to brink everyone together and now i hear he and mclame may be stumping around together. i hope this doesn't lead to the two of them sharing pres/vp for which every of them wins which slot. ack!!!! it might sound good from some reconciliation sort of view point but as for getting done what needs doing, it would keep the country in a ditch. please, someone tell me there ain't 'no way' this would happen.

sorry, brink should have been bring.

NEW YORK (AP) - Conservative legal advocates are recruiting pastors nationwide to defy an IRS ban on preaching about politicians, in a challenge they hope will abolish the restriction.

http://news.lp.findlaw.com/ap/other/features/1124//05-09-2008/20080509142002_47.html

More evidence to support the idea that a dollar spent on bread buys a lot more good will and national security than a dollar spent on bullets.
Read the article here.

IRAQ: Food Crisis Hits Fallujah
By Ali al-Fadhily and Dahr Jamail*
FALLUJAH, May 12 (IPS) - Sharp increases in food prices have generated a new wave of anti-occupation and anti-U.S. sentiment in Fallujah.
"This is a country that was damned by the Americans the moment they stepped on our soil," Burhan Jassim, a farmer from Sichir village just outside Fallujah told IPS. "This is Iraqi land that has always been blessed by Allah with the best production in quality and quantity, but now see how it has been turned into a wasteland."

There is an obvious reason why McCain could muster only scant evidence for his rant against liberal judicial activism: Liberal judicial activism, as McCain invokes the term, has been dying for a long time and is now pretty close to dead. The Supreme Court is decidedly conservative and will likely remain so for the foreseeable future.

Indeed, to the extent that there is a genuine problem with judicial activism (and I don't actually think "activism" per se is either good or bad – it depends on the justification provided), the problem today can only be with conservative judicial activism. For 20 years now, the more conservative wing of the Supreme Court has been striking down legislation and overturning precedent at a near-record pace. The number of liberal activist decisions during the same period is negligible by comparison.

Of course, we all know why McCain is going through this charade. Without directly saying so, he wants to signal to conservatives that he'll appoint judges hostile to Roe v. Wade. All the stuff about activist judges is simply code for this message.

THIS is why we NEED a Democratic president

Posted by BoilerMan on May 12, 2008 at 11:18 AM

It ain't going to happen! There is no way Obama would put a loser like McNuts on his ticket as V/P....not to mention that the Democratic Party would go nuts!

BBL...have a great day all!

later goodfoe, thanks for the reply. i feel better now.

Big Oil has a strangle hold on the world market, now it's Big Food's turn. Read the article here.

The World Food Crisis By John Nichols

The only surprising thing about the global food crisis to Jim Goodman is the notion that anyone finds it surprising. "So," says the Wisconsin dairy farmer, "they finally figured out, after all these years of pushing globalization and genetically modified [GM] seeds, that instead of feeding the world we've created a food system that leaves more people hungry. If they'd listened to farmers instead of corporations, they would've known this was going to happen." Goodman has traveled the world to speak, organize and rally with groups such as La Via Campesina, the global movement of peasant and farm organizations that has been warning for years that "solutions" promoted by agribusiness conglomerates were designed to maximize corporate profits, not help farmers or feed people.

Sunny,

Bill Clinton is absolutely right. Listen to the media and look back at many of the posts on this blog and tell me that people are not making fun of poor, uneducated white voters...and older women voters. I'm sick of it. I am ashamed of the Democratic Party.

Why are we wasting time and money on a primary. Obama could be working against McCain instead of the pant suited one. If you are a Democrat who supports her, but loves this party, please let her know that its time. I afraid she can't see the forest through the trees, so its up to us to let her know. We have a song here when the White Sox have it wrapped up. It starts out, "Na na na na, na na na na, hey heyyyy, good bye"

posts on this blog and tell me that people are not making fun of poor, uneducated white voters...and older women voters. I'm sick of it. I am ashamed of the Democratic Party.
Posted by TillyD on May 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM

HUH?????

for instance, where ??

Posted by TillyD on May 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM

Show me a post where anyone on this blog (who was not just a troll trying to cause trouble) has "made fun" of the poor or uneducated or older white women. Heck, many of the posters here fit in one or more of those categories. No, Bill once again is slinging mud in an attempt to divide voters even further. Unfortunately for him, the blowback from his mudslinging is likely to stick to the Clinton name for a long time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/12/climatechange.carbonemissions

This isn't good...

Post yesterday by Danielet:

No, the Clintons are NOT racists. But they are amoral and loyal to no one-- NOT EVEN TO EACH OTHER. And so we can well expect that the NOT-QUITE-READY-FOR-THE-AMERICA-OF-TOMORROW biggots will do their thing and vote for a fellow geriatric-- even if an amorphous Republican that shapes like the bowl you drop him into, instead of for the America of tomorrow-- principled and collaborative with a long view instead of arrogant and bullying with a typical entrepreneurial short-sighted tactical perspective of "me, me, me!"-- because the Clintons will see to it that these scared small-mined red-recks will make Hillary President-- if not now, at least four years from now by voting for McCain now.

But think Hillary, by then most of them will be dead, replaced in the voting booth by the young Americans of tomorrow, educated, modest and with a long view on America's role in the world. You could have been graceful and could have been a part of tomorrow if you had been willing to pay for it with your immediate ambition. But you didn't. Instead you played every dirty trick in the Nixon campaign book-- AND STILL LOST!

Kent Duffy,

I think it is only fair to the voters in the last Primary states to have their chance to go to the polls and vote for one or the other. If my state had not voted yet, I would not be saying that Hillary should just drop out right now. Despite what it looks like, if you are a basketball fan, you know that you play the entire 40 minutes and it has been surprising what can happen in the last 2 or 3 minutes. Let her go until June, but hopefully keep it above board.

Posted by TillyD on May 12, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Sounds like a very angry poster who is fed up with the Clintons. Ever read the posts in here that liken Obama to a terrorist? Not pretty either. The vast majority of posts here are aimed at the candidates, not their voters...and you and Bill know it.

Those idiot last few Republicans who approve of Bush do not understand----THEY are being spied upon too. There is NO more such a thing as Privacy! Their pathetic little lives are an open book !

Washington - The number of Americans being secretly wiretapped or having their financial and other records reviewed by the government has continued to increase as officials aggressively use powers approved after the Sept. 11 attacks. But the number of terrorism prosecutions ending up in court - one measure of the effectiveness of such sleuthing - has continued to decline, in some cases precipitously.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051208K.shtml

Did you all hear that Bob Barr, past Republican politician, is going to run for President on the Libertarian party?

Expected to take votes away from McSame! So instead of getting about 100 votes, he will only get about 80! haha.

Drip, drip, drip...

http://www.fanaticalapathy.com/

link at 12:33 not working, Blue.

and the liar is traveling around in a bus called "Straight Talk Express !!)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Did Republican presidential candidate John McCain vote for President George W. Bush in 2000?

Liberal Internet blogger Arianna Huffington says McCain told her he did not. But the Arizona senator says he did vote for Bush, a fellow Republican, in 2000 and campaigned for him all over the country after his own attempt to win the party's nomination failed.

The claims and counterclaims may provide an entertaining distraction from the day-to-day battle for votes for this November's presidential election, when McCain will face one of two Democratic contenders, Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.

But Huffington said in an interview the dust-up over the item she posted on her Web site earlier this week has broader meaning than whether or not McCain voted for his rival in the 2000 race for the Republican nomination.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080512/pl_nm/usa_politics_mccain_dc

See if this one is better:

Electability

No, blue. Same thing.

Posted by PamB on May 12, 2008 at 12:45 PM

Wierd.

Hanging out on his (?) website the last month, with the hords of "hillary supporters" streaming in this last week, I have to say that the racism and bigotry is has inundated the site. No one who says they are passionate Clinton supporters can actually defend why they are there, and it doesn't take too long for their hand to be shown... It really hits home, as most of these "hillary supporters" biggest hate/fear is Michelle Obama!!
Posted by highserenity on May 12, 2008 at 10:59 AM

What are you talking about? Who is "his web site?" McLame's or Obama's? It sure looks like you are grasping for a way to play the race card again. And that's really strange of you to claim that "Hillary supporters biggest hate/fear is MO." Where do you get this stuff? You dream it up to justify your candidate because you don't have anything better to say.

Well, if that's the best you have for Obama against McCain... maybe you should just not talk, and let Barack do the talking. Your grasping argument will do nothing to attract Independents because they don't want to hear these petty, personal race issues.

Good morning all,

John McCain's sexist views are very apparent, and he shows his distain quickly for anyone who doesn't agree with him, but I have not seen a specific racist bent.

I have only seen this from a few of his supporters, which I don't blame him for----but

Hanging out on his website the last month, with the hords of "hillary supporters" streaming in this last week, I have to say that the racism and bigotry is has inundated the site.
No one who says they are passionate Clinton supporters can actually defend why they are there, and it doesn't take too long for their hand to be shown.

Now that racism, (and actually sexism) hidden and smoldering for decades in so many is being forced into the light, I think my biggest sadness if Barack doesn't make prez, is that it will be quietly forgotten again.

It really hits home, as most of these "hillary supporters" biggest hate/fear is Michelle Obama!!

They are vitriolic, and shining the light on their true fear so they will actually have to look at it, takes a lot of finesse, but I think slowly the face of our country will change if we make this effort.

Barack and Michelle have opened a window, and it will be a window of opportunity lost if we loose them.

Obama while attacking McCain in West Virginia slip into Ohio's Republican belt, and use your diplomacy skills to attack the Bush in McCain there. Have Democrat supporters tag along and watch McCain and counter his every word.

With Hillary looking more and more like a Lieberman, to go Independent, as a progressive in having more Conservative right views, then the Democratic center must unite among a common front in expunging the Bush element out of Washington. We need the Bush Goodwill Ambassadors send home. While the next President is reminded of the reason to try them, that they committed treason upon the Constitution, its Scales of Justice and Trilogy branches of power.

Obama heading to Michigan and Florida

Link

Yes, yes, and more yes. I wish I could dress up as Ben Franklin, and hear him speak in Florida. I am in Alabama right now at friends but I would love to hear him , especially in Northern Florida, like Pensacola. I would even use a Poet's budget and buy Cheney gas to get there. I would love for someone to try to get a ticket and a schedule. I would hate to drive all that way, get a motel, and find I could not get in. But alas it is but a poetic dream like going to Philadelphia and write Poetry of Liberty Bells.

If we hired like we vote:

You seem right for the job, but...

I just heard that Obama is going to do campaign stops in MI and FL starting soon, (before the Rules Committee meets). He has already started running a General Election Campaign and is shoring up votes in Macomb County (Detroit) and Grand Rapids (Pug territory / Amway and Blackwater strongholds). Starting around May 20th, it will be Tampa, and other cities ending with Miami 3 days later.

Obama heading to Michigan and Florida

I don't see how Bill Clinton could campaign for Obama in the general election given his (Clinton's) conduct in the primaries.
Posted by goodfoe on May 12, 2008 at 11:02 AM

I don't think this Tweety-ish comment is fair for someone who "has done so much for race relations and inclusion." I don't think Bill has said anything wrong. Consider your sources:

Matthews mischaracterized Bill Clinton "fairy tale" quote

Summary: Chris Matthews asserted that former President Bill Clinton "made a series of remarks about Barack Obama that turned off many Democrats and may have helped galvanize black voters for Obama." Matthews then aired an abbreviated clip of Clinton's January 7 comments, "This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen," leaving out his preceding comments in which Clinton made clear that he was talking about Obama's statements regarding the Iraq war and not Obama's campaign.

On the March 2 edition of the NBC-syndicated The Chris Matthews Show, host Chris Matthews asserted that former President Bill Clinton "made a series of remarks about Barack Obama that turned off many Democrats and may have helped galvanize black voters for Obama." Matthews then aired an abbreviated clip of Clinton's January 7 comments, "This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen," leaving out his preceding comments in which Clinton made clear that he was talking about Obama's statements regarding the Iraq war and not Obama's campaign. In a January 13 piece for The New York Times' Week in Review section, reporter Mark Leibovich noted that in using the words "fairy tale," Clinton "was referring specifically to the perception that Mr. Obama was totally pure in his opposition to the Iraq war." Additionally, on the January 11 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, Salon.com editor-in-chief Joan Walsh told Matthews, "I don't think it was a wise remark, but specifically the context of what he was saying was that ... the notion that Obama had always been steadfastly opposed to the war was the 'fairy tale.' Not that his candidacy was a fairy tale."

Media Matters for America has noted other instances in which the media have misreported Clinton's "fairy tale" statement.

In addition, Matthews aired a clip of Clinton saying, "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice in '84 and '88, and he ran a good campaign, and Senator Obama has run a good campaign here," but did not note that Times reporter Katharine Q. Seelye wrote in a January 28 post on the Times' political blog The Caucus that Jackson himself said that he did not "read anything negative into Clinton's observation." The post also quoted Jackson saying: "Bill has done so much for race relations and inclusion, I would tend not to read a negative scenario into his comments."

More at:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803040001

oops sorry for the double post

yellow dog

It is not my opinion
sorry I didn't link to site I was refering to
go see for yourself
maybe you could help

http://www.johnmccain.com/Blog/Read.aspx?guid=54596ce0-dd48-43a6-8909-3c14594f70ff

I thought I was CLEAR, not referencing ALL hillary supporters, the faux ones that are showing up on John McCain's site for the sole reason to spread their fear of Obama, not being able to explain why someone who supports Hillary and Democrat platform, could go so against why they were supporting Hillary.
Turns out either just because she is a woman, or they are posting links to racist (he is a muslim etc) sites.

I have stated on that site many times, the virtues of true Hillary supporters.

Sorry if my post was upsetting to you
Didn't mean it to be
Never thought for a minute it would apply to you or those like you
It does seem a hard subject to talk about without misunderstandings doesn't it. That was actually the point of my previous post.

I'm sick of it. I am ashamed of the Democratic Party.

Posted by TillyD on May 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM
__________________________________

I am a poor uneducated old white woman and I am sick of being used and misrepresented
and people spouting hate at the democratic party without displaying proof for their OPINION

Bill Clinton in WV......he went down some roads that were best left untraveled.
Posted by sunny on May 12, 2008 at 10:32 AM

That Jake Tapper is a hack blogger. Look at what Bill said. It was all typical stumping. How dare you post Tapper's lies just to make a cheap point for Obama. That's some integrity you're showing. Way to start a rumor on the internet with a source not worth the time of day. I say YOU and Tapper should not go down that LOW ROAD.

Look at Bill's words. It's common campaign talk:

Per ABC News' Sarah Amos, this is what the 42nd president of the United States said Friday in Ripley, W.Va.:

"Hillary is in this race because of people like you and places like this and no matter what they say," Clinton said. "And no matter how much fun they make of your support of her and the fact that working people all over America have stuck with her, she thinks you're as smart as they are. She thinks you've got as much right to have your say as anybody else. And, you know, they make a lot of fun of me because I like to campaign in places like this, they say I have been exiled to rural America, as if that was a problem. I don't know about you, but I'd rather be here than listening to that stuff I have to hear on television, I'd rather be with you. There is a simple reason: You need a president a lot more than those people telling you not to vote for her."

HEY OBAMA! what's this about you paying off Hillary's debt to help her out of the race? you'd better be more clear on that because I'm not sending you every $20.00 I can spare to help HER out. she is not going to help you win the Presidency because she would rather let McCain win and run again in 2012.If I were you, I'd be real clear about this. In case you haven't realized, allot of your supporters do not like her and I am one of them. I work damn hard for my money. If the check says OBAMA, that's who it is for. period.

Posted by Sadie on May 12, 2008 at 03:53 AM

Common right-wing troll traits:

- Spending an inordinate amount of time where you're not wanted;
- A slavish, dog-like obedience to authority;
- A willingness to mimic any talking point;
- A willingness to change any opinion you hold at the drop of the President's hat;
- A contempt for those who challenge you on any point.

Other right-wing troll traits include calling those that disagree with you communists, as well as not being able to actually define what a communist is. When asked what a communist is, Toad the Wet Sprocket angrily lashed out "Only a communist would ask a stupid question like that. Commie."

They're only here because they bore themselves and others to tears

Posted by Sadie on May 12, 2008 at 01:27 PM

He didn't say he would. We should all be very careful about what the McCainstream Media reports. They are the liars that put GWB in the WH.

Good afternoon fellow Democrats.

Obama \ Clinton 2008

Yes we can!

Si se puede!

Change we can believe in!

Sen. Clinton's website.

The #1 name on the economy: CLINTON!! Vote Hillary Clinton for President in 2008!

Blue, the fat old sad troll in AZ is nothing more than a LIAR! Just because his and the other trolls have their IPs blocked, and cannot do more than use old names they stored, does not mean NEW bloggers can not come in here. As evidenced by the new people every day.

Just sore loser, sour grape old men with time on their hands, because their families want nothing to do with them! (notice how ole Danny spent Mothers Day? HERE, posting hate. )

Posted by highserenity on May 12, 2008 at 01:11 PM

Apology accepted. I don't know what good it does to call or assume others are racists/bigots. (I'm not saying you were saying this. I'm speaking "in general.") Sure, some people are like that. But most are not. The irony is that the people who do need to be lectured on bigotry/racism will not listen.

For too long, people here have called others these names, like KKK, for no good reason. IMO, it's works against racial harmony. This can not be good for the Obama campaign.

Thanks for clarifying your post.

Posted by highserenity on May 12, 2008 at 01:02 PM

I agree with that completely. We have a rare opportunity to move this country forward beyond the bonds of racism. Obama represents a very unique individual and we are lucky to have him.

If something unexpected happens and Hillary gets the nomination, I will support her but I can't envision that happening.

"It's the economy stupid!" Vote for Hillary Clinton for President!

http://mccainblogs.com/2008/05/12/mccain-campaign-responds-to-newsweek-slur-of-republicans/

McCain Campaign Responds To Newsweek Slur Of Republicans
by William Teach — published on May 12th, 2008

And this one I love so much, I dedicate to Fat Dan and the rest of the trolls!!!!!! hahahahaha

GOP Getting Crushed in Polls, Key Races
By Jim VandeHei and David Paul Kuhn
The Politico

In case you've been too consumed by the Democratic race to notice, Republicans are getting crushed in historic ways both at the polls and in the polls

At the polls, it has been a massacre. In recent weeks, Republicans have lost a Louisiana House seat they had held for more than two decades and an Illinois House seat they had held for more than three. Internal polls show that next week they could lose a Mississippi House seat that they have held for 13 years.

In the polls, they are setting records (and not the good kind). The most recent Gallup Poll has 67 percent of voters disapproving of President Bush; those numbers are worse than Richard Nixon's on the eve of his resignation. A CBS News poll taken at the end of April found only 33 percent of Americans have a favorable view of the GOP - the lowest since CBS started asking the question more than two decades ago. By comparison, 52 percent of the public has a favorable view of the Democratic Party

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051108B.shtml

Now who was it a couple weeks ago, arguing with me that the US occupied countries in the world LIKE being occupied??? WRONG !!!!!!! Get us the hell out !!

Protest Camps Against American Military Bases in Japan and Italy

The presence of the US military, 63 years after World War II, is a huge source of anger for the citizens of Japan, Korea, Germany and Italy. On the northern Japanese island of Hokkaido, the US military uses an artillery firing range known as Yausubetsu. The range is small in comparison to ranges in the United States and Germany - only 30 kilometers by 10 kilometers - but the source of irritation to Japanese farmers whose land was taken for the range and for those who live near the range is large. The peaceful rolling hills and valleys of the area are the home of the dairy industry of Hokkaido. The Japanese have used a cartoon of an angry dairy cow with boxing gloves as their symbol of protest of the US military's use of the range.

The citizens of Hokkaido join citizens from other parts of the world who are protesting the continuing presence and expansion of the US military. The citizens of Vicenza, Italy, for two years have protested the expansion of the US Army base into the only remaining green area in the city. Protest central in Vicenza is a tent erected at the end of the abandoned airfield which will become the expanded home of the US Army. As in Hokkaido, citizens of Vicenza use the tent as a visible symbol of protest and objection to continued US military presence 60 years after World War II.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051108F.shtml

Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on May 12, 2008 at 01:27 PM

?????????????????LINKS

How's about if we make the West Virginia primary winner-takes-all for the Democratic nomination? After all, West Virginia put JFK in the White House. C'mon, West Virginia! Make Hillary Clinton the next president of the United States!

bbl.........

Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on May 12, 2008 at 01:09 PM

I'm not sure this is the real BYD, screen name looks different

Yellow,

You may not have noticed or may choose to ignore the fact that Republicans have attempted to manipulate this election by praying upon racial lines. Let me say that again, Republicans have been to blame for the direction taken in dividing Democrats on the issue of race. And Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, have at times fallen for this trick.

Remember, it was not we Democrats who began disecting the results of primaries according to race and education. This was the work of Republican operatives, often those employed by media outlets who we well know did their best to misrepresent the disgrace that is the Bush administration. Some on Clinton's side merely repeated earlier mistakes when they added their voices to this arguement.

We Democrats don't base our decisions on race or sex, we are better than that. The Muslim issue, the Reverend Wright issue were both issues that the Right invented. Some on Clinton's campaign merely made the mistake of repeating this garbage.

Posted by PamB on May 12, 2008 at 01:55 PM

And the Queen of smut leaves the building as fast as her stumpy little legs will carry her.

ANN
Still trying to talk others into breaking/bending/changing rules that all agreed to, including you?

I had a little girlfriend like that in school,
every time she kicked the ball out of bounds, she would say:
"ok that doesn't count, I was distractd by another player, or I didn't mean to kick it that way, or whatever-----so I want a "do over""

Nobody paid attention to her, and we who were following ALL the rules, without complaining about them, just went on to win. :-)

Consider your sources:

Matthews mischaracterized Bill Clinton "fairy tale" quote

BYD, I was not going to respond, but, since you referred to me by name, I guess I will.

I don't watch Chris Matthews (s/p). is he on cable?

I feel you put some spin on my comments. Why don't you judge them in their entirety?

I have other sources BTW, and have studied the full test of Bill Clinton's remarks in context. Enough said, I will not debate you, say what ever you want to.

Posted by anne_smith on May 12, 2008 at 01:54 PM

And just what are you going to do if Obama does much better than expected in West Virginia?

Lot of people may want to catch the Obama wave as it passes by....or they may be still pissed about the Bosnia lying and gas tax pandering.

Those hard working white people are pretty proud and don't take well to being played by others. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched.

bbl.

Republicans would not have simply taken a vacation with the nomination of McCain, instead they would begin their campaign early. They would do so by engaging in the same type of smear campaigns that they always do. They would do so by doing all that they could to divide Americans, as they always do.

Now, as yourselves where you see the sign of anything like this. Ask yourselves where these Republicans are most likely to have used their influence, if not here. This division of Americans according to racial beliefs is as much a republican tactic as I have ever seen. There is no mistaking it.

Republicans would not have simply taken a vacation with the nomination of McCain, instead they would begin their campaign early. They would do so by engaging in the same type of smear campaigns that they always do. They would do so by doing all that they could to divide Americans, as they always do.

Now, ask yourselves where you see the sign of anything like this. Ask yourselves where these Republicans are most likely to have used their influence, if not here. This division of Americans according to racial beliefs is as much a republican tactic as I have ever seen. There is no mistaking it.

Republican Like Tactics: The Disenfranchisement of Democratic Voters

None of us were confused about who was responsible for choosing our frontrunner when those elections were being held in the North. At that time we knew that Democrats were responsible, that's it just Democrats. But since those elections have moved south things have changed.

Now there is confusion. Now some of us think that this is a black or white thing. But how could this be the reality when the reality is that Obama was leading before the southern states became an issue? And is it merely coincidence that Republicans chose a nominee at about the same time race became and issue?

Myself, I don't believe in coincidence. In politics everything is done for a reason and all that is done can be attributed to someone. Republicans in this case.

The republicans and their immoral followers are up to their old tricks. And the sooner we see that the sooner we will defeat them. So, take some time and consider how Republicans might have used their time, and see if you do not come to the same conclusion. Then get out there and do all that you can to combat their efforts.

Posted by SandyH on May 12, 2008 at 02:22 PM
_________________________________________________

I believe that was an ignorant question, because if you have followed the behaviour pattern, you would know that when situations change, that were unexpected, she rallys the people by calling foul, and calls for a change of the rules.

Ya know,change the rules---not for future contests, but always RETROACTIVE

marine
Myself, I don't believe in coincidence. In politics everything is done for a reason and all that is done can be attributed to someone.
_________________________________________________

I completely agree, and my son lectures me on this all the time when I seem to forget----
What are you suggesting can be done?

I have tried for many years now and failed---

That is why I am so glad to finally have a candidate that I feel I can trust and is intellegent and organized enough to have anticipated this and has tactics in place to counter act.

I am frustrated though, at how little the DNC, democrat congress etc. has done to secure our vote.

Hi Sandy, just watched Bill Schneider saying, even if Hillary wins WV, that the math is just not there. Obama now has 275 superdelegates to her 273.

Hillary is hanging in because she is hoping that MI and FL will be fully counted and super delegates will come to her, and #2 that Obama may make a mistake which will make all the super delegates change their votes.

otherwise, even she knows she does not have a chance otherwise.

It is too bad that in the year Hillary makes her move and runs for office, another candidate comes out at the same time, who is charasmatic, articulate, and bases a campaign on CHANGE which is what Americans want. Otherwise, she would have had this.

high serenity, are you familiar with Bev Harris and her work the last years on Black Box voting and the fraud that has been committed? I am on her subscription list, and get updates of her work all the time.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/?q=node/view/78

Postville, Ia. – Four Homeland Security buses with U.S. Immigration and Customs tags on them have entered the Agriprocessors Inc. complex.

The buses, along with a trail of SUVs and vans with Minnesota license plates, arrived at about 11:45 a.m.

Federal agents descended upon this northeast Iowa community at about 10 a.m. today to conduct an immigration raid at the nation’s largest kosher meatpacking plant.

The ICE agents entered the Postville plant to execute a criminal search warrant for evidence relating to aggravated identity theft, fraudulent use of Social Security numbers and other crimes, said Tim Counts, a Midwest ICE spokesman.

Agents are also executing a civil search warrant for people illegally in the United States, he said.

Immigration officials told aides to U.S. Rep. Bruce Braley that they expect 600 to 700 arrests. About 1,000 to 1,050 people work at the plant, according to Iowa Workforce Development.

Chuck Larson, a truck driver for Agriprocessing, was in the plant when the agents arrived. “There has to be 100 of them,” he said of the agents...

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080512/NEWS/80512012/1001

Darn right! Get those illegals out, lock up everyone in their Human Resources Department for aiding and abetting, and fill those positions with American workers as it should have been done in the first place. Until "big business" is taught that doing business using illegals is still illegal, these raids will be necessary.

Pam
It is going to take me awhile to go through this site---I already like the "tool Kit"
I know there are a lot of watch dog organizations, but
watch dog aint gonna get it

and why are we having to do this????

Aren't our leaders that we elect supposed to PROTECT US (if not them) from what we cannot protect ourselves from?

I believe there is a real stincky problem somewhere when after 2000, the democratic representatives have not SOLVED THIS.
they had all the support they needed, hell, even most of the republican citizens would have voted/supported to lay out the money to assure their registration is honored and their vote is counted correctly.

Posted by DawnThe0riginaL on May 12, 2008 at 02:09 PM

Nice try, troll. You think we wouldn't catch on to the 0 as opposed to the O in 0riginal?

Paid for by the Committee to Elect John McCain President.

Obama did not officially take the lead until February 12, after having won in Iowa, South Carolina, Alabama, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinous, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Utah, Louisiana, Nebraska, Washington, Maine, D.C., Maryland, and Virginia. And, of those 21 contests won, only 5 took place in areas with a high percentage of African American voters.

In the same timeframe, Hillary Clinton had won 13 contests, 2 of them in areas with high percentages of African American voters.

In other words, Obama has clearly demonstrated electability within all groups of Americans, in the North, South, East and West.

Posted by BobVADemHawk-Obama08 on May 12, 2008 at 03:00 PM
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Thanks for posting this bob----really didn't think it would actually happen, we will see how this business has consequences and/or moves forward.---
and how it influences the ones who should be targeted next.
MMMmmmmmm maybe our unemployment rates will go down without explanation ;-)
hope it isn't just a temporary "show" to take pressure off

Ron Paul's forces quietly plot GOP convention revolt against McCain

Virtually all the nation's political attention in recent weeks has focused on the compelling state-by-state presidential nomination struggle between two Democrats and the potential for party-splitting strife over there.

But in the meantime, quietly, largely under the radar of most people, the forces of Rep. Ron Paul have been organizing across the country to stage an embarrassing public revolt against Sen. John McCain when Republicans gather for their national convention in Minnesota at the beginning of September.

Paul's presidential candidacy has been correctly dismissed all along in terms of winning the nomination. He was even excluded as irrelevant by Fox News from a nationally-televised GOP debate in New Hampshire.

But what's been largely overlooked is Paul's candidacy as a reflection of a powerful lingering dissatisfaction with the Arizona senator among the party's most conservative conservatives. As anticipated in late March in The Ticket, that situation could be exacerbated by today's expected announcement from former Republican Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia for the Libertarian Party's presidential nod, a slot held by Paul in 1988.

Never mind Ralph Nader, Republican and Democratic parties both face ...

... potentially damaging internal splits that could cripple their chances for victory in a narrow vote on Nov. 4.

Just take a look at recent Republican primary results, largely overlooked because McCain locked up the necessary 1,191 delegates long ago. In Indiana, McCain got 77% of the recent Republican primary vote, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, who've each long ago quit and endorsed McCain, still got 10% and 5% respectively, while Paul took 8%.

On the same May 6 in North Carolina, McCain received less than three-quarters of Republican votes (74%), while Huckabee got 12%, Paul 7% and Alan Keyes and No Preference took a total of 7%.

Pennsylvania was even slightly worse for the GOP's presumptive nominee, who got only 73% to a combined 27% for Paul (16%) and Huckabee (11%).

As Politico.com's Jonathan Martin noted recently, at least some of these results are temporary protest votes in meaningless primaries built on lingering affection for Huckabee and suspicion of McCain...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/ronpaulgop.html

Floor fight at the GOP Convention? Say it ain't so! SO! Bwwwwwaaaahahahahahaha...

Serenity,

The best way to combat this form of republican manipulation is to make it abundantly clear that it is happening and that their claims are bogus. Keep talking about it. Keep asking people to admit that Republicans are always up to these tricks and that when you can not see them it is merely because you are falling for them.

More importantly, it is imparative that we remember that we all fall for them from time to time. None of us are immune, though some will detect their tricks sooner than others. This is the way it has always been and will likely always be.

Floor fight at the GOP Convention? Say it ain't so! SO! Bwwwwwaaaahahahahahaha...

Posted by BobVADemHawk-Obama08 on May 12, 2008 at 03:19 PM

You know how passionate those supporters of ron Paul are! there are still some signs in yards and on cars here! Between Bob Barr running as Libertarian, and a fight with Ron Paul supporters, PLUS a lot of TRUE conservatives who do not believe that McCain is one of them, there should be quite a fun time in Minneapolis this summer! I can hardly wait.

Posted by PamB on May 12, 2008 at 03:38 PM

You got that right, Pam. Those "Paultards" can get rather vocal in their misguided support. Bob Barr will be as irrelevant as the Godforsaken, money-worshipping Libertarians usually are.

Posted by PamB on May 12, 2008 at 03:38 PM

It will be interesting to see how the vote goes here. I have yet to see a McCain sign, yet Ron Paul signs have been up for nearly a year.

Bob, We have to make sure we all donate to Bob Barr and get him on all the State ballots though, so the Republicans get a taste of their own medicine from what they have done with Ralph Nader over the years!

Looking at the numbers on South Caronlina.

Clinton takes 37% of the white vote there to Obama's 24%. Remember other candidates are still in the race at this time. In other words, Obama had a comparable amount of support from whites, although slightly less than that of Clinton.

Meanwhile, white voters strongly supported Obama in Iowa, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Idaho, Illinous, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Utah, Nebraska, Washington, Maine, and Maryland.

This is about chaos. This is why it’s called Operation Chaos! It’s not called Operation Save Hillary. It’s not called Operation Nominate Obama. It’s called Operation Chaos! The dream end… I mean, if people say what’s your exit strategery, the dream end of this is that this keeps up to the convention and that we have a replay of Chicago 1968, with burning cars, protests, fires, literal riots, and all of that.

Rush's political violence agenda

Posted by PamB on May 12, 2008 at 03:54 PM

It would only be fitting, would it not? Revenge is a dish that is best served cold. It's very cold in the political wilderness.

Posted by Marine on May 12, 2008 at 04:02 PM

... and VA. We're a swing state this year.

Blue, I think the redder the state, the more they hate McCain.

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Posted by PamB on May 12, 2008 at 04:16 PM

Ah, but in the end they'll just check the box next to the 'R'. They always do. Satan himself could win here with an elephant on his campaign sign.

The more I look at the data Link the more I am convinced that Obama has shown considerable support among white voters.

The truth is that Obama had to have this support to win Iowa, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Washington, Maine, Maryland, and Virginia. Also, without the support of a large percentage of the white populations of Georgia, and Louisiana Obama could not have won. And in Georgia that support went up to 43%.

He didn't say he would. We should all be very careful about what the McCainstream Media reports. They are the liars that put GWB in the WH.

Posted by BlueinIdaho on May 12, 2008 at 01:32 PM

ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?
BECAUSE I JUST GOT MY BIG $600 BUSH TAX CHECK BORROWED FROM CHINA AND I WAS GOING TO SEND OBAMA A LITTLE BIT OF IT.

Marine,You are right.Whites are mixed on their voting and Obama has held his own in that area. I`m from Maine and Barack won here with just under 60% of the vote.Voting has reached a point for a lot of people where it is what the candidate is saying and a gut feeling of trust. I`m pretty happy today as Tom Allen running against Susan Collins for the senate has come out to endorse Barack Obama! It`s going to be a battle and I hope the real truth comes out about Collins. If that happens then we`ll see where the votes fall.Collins is a so-called moderate like McInsane.