Karl Rove Has Zero Cred on National Security
Governor Dean:
"Karl Rove only has a White House job and a security clearance because President Bush has refused to keep his promise to fire anyone involved in revealing the identity of an undercover CIA operative," said Dean. "Rove's political standing gets him an invitation to address Republicans in Washington, DC today, but it doesn't give him the credibility to question Democrats' commitment to national security. The truth is, Karl Rove breached our national security for partisan gain and that is both unpatriotic and wrong."
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Quote from Bush in 2004 --
"A wiretap requires a court order," President Bush declared in a statement in 2004. He added, "When we're talking about chasing down terriorists, we're talking about getting a court order when we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand [that] constitutional guarantees are in place... because we value the Constitution."
Absolutely. But this news is not getting out. Why aren't more elected Democrats, Democrats with a voice, pounding away at this in whatever public forum is available to them?
Keep the pressure on. When Rove's indicted, put the pressure on Bush even more.
Matts, I think those in office are being blackmailed....if they say too much, the Republican leadership is threatening to cut off funds to their districts/states/constituents. It's extortion.
So it's up to the rest of us to get the word out with letters to the editor/blogs/comment lines and throughout our own communities. Speak up in mixed company and make sure their supporters are made to feel guilty. Don't let them off the hook.
So...I'm just wondering - when can we expect another thread on the Alito nomination? Would that be when he resigns the USSC and the Democratic Party is "fighting" to ensure that the seat is filled with another "moderately fascist" judge?
Show of hands, people...all of you who crowed about the "victory" out leaders fashioned during the Roberts group grope to preserve the filibuster option by promising to...cough...cough...not filibuster? Kind of like agreeing to have sex in order to preserve one's virginity, wasn't it? How do you feel this morning after? Pretty abused, huh? You should.
I have a comment related to national security that Karl Rove should and all the Republicans knew about, should have looked into years ago (when they said they would), but didn't.
Sorry if other people have already spoken about this. This message is for people within our party who can impact policy.
OUR DEPENDENCE ON OIL IS A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK BUSH AND THE GOP KNEW ABOUT, BUT IGNORED.
I hope our leadership will blast the GOP and the Bush administration for refusing to spend more money on alternative energy research. Had we spent 300 billion dollars on alternative fuel research instead of the war in Iraq, may be Iran would be less able to single handedly inflict so much damage to our national security and on our economy. Alternative energy research is a national security issue, as well as an economic issue. Bush and the Republicans have been on notice FOR YEARS, but have done nothing. I hope we won't stand by and let them get away with it. Drilling in Alaska cannot come close to meeting our energy needs. We need to research and develope alternative fuels. Our government needs to do this because private industry wasn't moving quickly enough. Instead of spending money on alternative fuel research, the GOP sold government contractual work involving government moneys to the highest bidding lobbyists and spent billions of dollars on an unnecessary war in Iraq. Instead of using moneys to research alternative fuels, moneys were spent on GOP corruption. Now Iran is able to hurt our economic and national security more than they would have been able to do had Bush fufilled the promise he made four years ago in 2002 State of the Union to eliminate our dependence on foreign oil. To our leadership, help us hold them to account. We've got an amazing demographic disadvantage right now, but the GOP has screwed up so badly that perhaps we can regain support in the red nation sooner rather than later.
Question: Why hasn't anyone suggeted (that I've seen)that if the President feels his wiretaps are within the law,that he now go ahead and go to the FISA court and obtain the warrants.We as citizens should demand that he do so.Most likely he will not because he is doing things he should'nt.This administration feels it is above the law and can make its own where it sees fit.
Furthermore Dem's need to give the tired rehtoric a rest and start asking serious questions?e.g. If Mr.Bush still feels the wiretaps are just,why not get them approved by FISA.Why does he need to mount a defense if there is in fact no offense? THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
Question: Why hasn't anyone suggeted (that I've seen)that if the President feels his wiretaps are within the law,that he now go ahead and go to the FISA court and obtain the warrants.We as citizens should demand that he do so.Most likely he will not because he is doing things he should'nt.This administration feels it is above the law and can make its own where it sees fit.
Furthermore Dem's need to give the tired rehtoric a rest and start asking serious questions?e.g. If Mr.Bush still feels the wiretaps are just,why not get them approved by FISA.Why does he need to mount a defense if there is in fact no offense? THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
Good, good stuff Chairman Dean. Glad to see that you are staying in your groove.
I agree with Matt. Why am I not seeing Bush's own words from 2004 where he himself defines the requirement of a court order for wiretaps. This should be brought up and replayed every chance the democrats are given. I think if this was done even the repubs would realize Bush broke the law. With Bush's own words the repub spin masters, that are claiming he did the right thing, would just have to shut the heck up. Notice how the repub spin masters try to avoid mentioning that he can wire tap with no court order for 72 hours before a court order is required.
Don't believe the hype on Iran, yeah their leader is a loud mouth spewer of hatred, but then so is ours. Yeah they want to use nuclear energy - so do we.
What is different is that they don't have weapons of mass destruction and we do. What is different is that they don't have any plans to attack us, but we have had plans to attack them since at least 1999 as part of the PNAC's plan for full spectrum dominance of the middle east.
A good rule of thumb to go by is that if you heard it on the news - it's dead wrong propaganda.
Oh Sandy - I think you are spot on about the Bribery and Coercion - but here's what we should do. Encourage our representatives to blow the whistle on that activity. For instance; if I was a Senator and a fellow Senator or Senior administration official threatened to cut my funding. the first thing I'd do is place him under citizens arrest for bribery, extortion, coercion or terrorist threats, the next thing I'd do is call the press and let everyone know that I was threatened and by who. If we give in to domestic corruption then we are lost
You don't see the speech today, because we were talking about it a month ago:
http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/12/in_his_own_word.php
Tim
P.S. And yes, it has shown up on here after that, several times.
Nice Job on CNN tonight Chairman. I appreciate you pointing out Iraq was a distraction at a time when we should have been devoting our resources elsewhere. I also appreciated you mentioning the reason our tax dollars are being spent inefficiently and ineffectively: GOP CORRUPTION.
I wish we had know Dean was on CNN today. We just caught the tail end because we don't watch unless something we want to see is on.
What time did it start?
National Security and Karl Rove, now here is a topic that Friday night debates were designed for.
So let's start with this.
Karl Rove has not be indicted on any charge. No wrong doing has been proven. (And you can yell all you want about what happened behind the scenes.) The proof is in the special prosecutor's hands, and nothing has been brought to light.
He has been working behing the scenes, where he is most comfortable and most effective.
He is, in our opponent's eyes, the architect.(Matrix reference is not lost here.)
However, Karl Rove does have clearence. He is in the White House. He works directly for the President, and I hate to say it but if he was a democratic advisor we would be fighting like hell to keep him in his post too.
He came out today and said that we live in a post 9/11 world and that Republicans understand this fact and we, as democrats, do not. In case someone missed it, that's the key issue. That's what this is going to come down to in the mid-terms.(as far as National Security is concerned.) We are going to see them spin us as out of touch with what it takes to secure the country post- 9/11. (Not taking into account right now the corruption issue, just table that for a second.)
I think Rove's comments need to be thoroughly digested. Because, if they are not, we are going to do the same thing that we did in 04 which is to discount his thoughts as mere rhetoric that can be sluffed off. It's not. He has a valid point. We have said we don't like the illegal wiretaps, fine great but what do we PROPOSE IN IT'S PLACE?
Go through the FISA courts, great THEN WE NEED TO PUT THAT UP ON THE WEBSITE WITH LINKS TO EXACTLY WHAT THE HELL THAT IS. If that's where our strategy is then guess what we haven't gotten the message out, and we need to do better.
I am all for the idea of hearings on the legal issues that have been raised about the wiretaps, but while that is being followed through on we HAVE GOT TO GET A MESSAGE ON NATIONAL SECURITY PUT TOGETHER. We need to show what we propose, as opposed to the illegal options that have been taken up to this point by the republican administration.
The key here is NOT that the activity was illegal/unconstitutional that horse has been killed and buried.(and is mainly the legal issue.) The key political issue now is what are the democrats willing do, stand by and let terrorists kill our citizens because they haven't got a clue?(because I garuntee that's how it will be spun.) Or do we have a plan to protect the country, our citizens, and our rights. What is our stated, documented, and committed position.
Draw a line and stand by it.
Because that is how ROVE and the REPUBLICANS beat us in 04 they stood their ground on their base issues and they beat us. IT IS HOW THEY ARE GOING to win again if we don't do some LEADING.
Rove should shut his yap. He deserves to be indicted along with Scooter and has no credibility on national security. In fact, why does he still have security clearance?
Now why exactly do Karl Rove and Dick Cheney get front page on CNN and the republican White pages identifying the administration's (Justice) justification for warrantless eavesdropping get mainstream press? John Conyers held a 2.5hour hearing in a BASEMENT today with no mention on CNN whatsoever. I thought Congress was still out until the end of month. You mean that the hearings by Conyers did not even rate a small committee room? This is shameful!!Where are the rest of the Democrats? Waiting for the Republican version of hearings by Arlen Specter so they can each speak for half an hour and then fold like the Alito hearings? Come on People. This was illegal and Impeachable!! GET TOUGH DEMOCRATS
The republicans attempt to use 9/11 to fear monger AGAIN is going to blow up in their faces. Rove has zero credibility since he has been caught in the outing of Plame (i.e. party before country). The Republicans are desparate so they try what has worked before. But Americans have caught on (look at Bush's approval numbers). People will see this as what it is, an attempt to use fear and 9/11 for political gain. And we need to point that out to everyone every chance we get. Two things you can bet the bank on in this election: 1) they will continue their smear tactics, 2) they will try to use fear and 9/11.
bloomberg's banner is reporting rove has attacked democrats as to "cut and run" from iraq.
quite a statement from the buffon who never served a day to defended our country ... nor cheney nor bush ... perhaps some current democrat who served might like to comment? i'm aware of a few democrats that i'd admire a lot more if they took this buffon to the back of the shed.
Bravo, Governor Dean!
Rove is an enemy of the State because, as I see it, Rove has endangered the Nation by conspiring to undo the CIA program that worked to control nuclear proliferation. And Rove did that when he joined in the exposure of Agent Valerie Plame Wilson's CIA employment!
Rove committed a treasonous act. Despicable. That he is still working in any capacity dealing with our government is unacceptable.
Why Behind the Bush Spying Eye...
Why is Bush doing domestic spying in a full sweep of the population?
It is not necessary to imagine an end goal. All we have to do is go back in recent history and see the type of activities the Bush family (Poppy Bush in his CIA and V.P. days) and the Bush Family entourage -- including John Negroponte -- initiated and fullfilled in the past. I'm focussed here on their controlling presence in the Central and South American Era of Dissappearing the Opposition and Future Progressive Leadership in nations in which they wanted to maintain hegemony.
Regarding the situation in our contemporary United States, the Bush Family and Entourage know they are "in power" under false pretenses, that Georgie was not elected, and that they are backed only by a handful of corporatists and a small percentage of citizens who are American Taliban. What the Bush Cabal fears most is exposure and those people savvy enough to research the facts and conscientious enough to expose the facts. The enemies of the Bushes are the facts and those who deal in facts, and the Bushes desire to disappear the facts and all proponents of the facts.
In short, the Domestic Spying is prelude to the Disappearance of All That Supports the Opposition In Any Way.
The Bush Menace is breathing down our necks. There's no time to spare.
It's imperative to demand and work to 1/ Filibuster Alito, 2/ Impeach Bush and Cheney both, 3/ Stop the Patriot Act, 4/ Stop privatized voting and restore election purity, 5/ Vote the crooks and sociopaths out of office.
nora,
i like your 5. permit me to add a 6/...in the meantime, would some democrat that served in the military please take the buffon (aka rove) out behind the shed.
I am going to give a Karl Rove a little credit though. For once, he didn't make the move of calling Democrats unpatriotic because we do not agree with Bush's post 9/11 policies. I've had enough of trying to defend whether wanting our boys safe and sound or in the middle of a desert as being patriotic, and I'm glad that Rove didn't try to fan the flames of that fire.
Other than that, bad business as usual for Karl Rove. I can't think of anything greater than to see this guy's strategy get destroyed in November.
Friday night's Media Matters does a great job of showing the bias and hypocrisy in The Washington Post's and NY Times' coverage of the Clinton-Lewinsky story and in George Bush's spying without warrants.
If anyone doubts that the Post is a Republican mouthpiece filled with Republican reporters, Media Matters is required reading. I can't believe this is the same paper that brought Nixon down.
I used to be in journalism. I've never seen so much biased reporting as is going on now. The GOP talking points always get covered in Post and NY Times stories. Democrats have to fight like hell for fair treatment.
I'm really disgusted with the sloppy reporting on TV and in the press. It's as though people who are gathering and presenting the news don't have a f---ing clue about what they are supposed to be doing. And neither do their bosses. It's a disgrace, and I'm sure the Repukes are tickled pink, because their side of the story always gets told, except for negative news. Negative news has a lifespan of about a day or two. But if there's negative news about a Democrat, it's worth at least a week's worth of coverage on Lardball and in other venues.
God! Things have to start turning around.
Mr. Rove, what good is it to obtain all of these worldly possessions and power yet lose your soul?
I hate to say it but if he was a democratic advisor we would be fighting like hell to keep him in his post too.
kerbose, When the day comes that the Dems must win elections, through having someone like Karl Rove distort, lie, smear, cheat, steal, fix elections, hire Swift Boat Vets, etc, then I shall renounce my party name, no longer support the Dems, and work to bring clean 3rd party candidates to office.
I am a very competitive sports fan. But it has to be above board and clean. Same with politics. If you can't win because your candidate is not the best one and you must try and drag your opponent down in order to bring your own up, then you are truly not the best man.
Karl Rove may be the worst possible advocate for national security issues, but the tapes from Osama Bin Laden and Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri are the best possible advocates to bolster wiretapping and other anticivil liberties goals.Their carefully timed impact videos to sway American events for political impact cannot be ignored. While Congress is debating wiretapping concerns, Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri both released tapes this week to help rachet up the fear level and to help fuel a crackdown on American civil liberties.
Right before the November 2004 election, Osama Bin Laden released another tape and created a swing of undecided voters against the challenger, John Kerry, which is uncommmon. Undecided voters tend to support the challenger.
In 2006 and 2008, no matter what planning Democrats do to win the elections, expect new videos from Osama Bin Laden and Dr. al-Zawahiri to help throw the election against the Democrats.
It's going to be very difficult for Democrats to win national elections when these two terrorists help to throw the election by creating a climate of fear as an "October surprise" for their political impact on the U.S. with national security concious voters that seeks a refuge with the Bush Administration or Republicans. This is a serious problem for the Democrats: This Osama Factor.
It must never be forgotten that the primary weapon of terrorists is not the violence, but the psychological impact that they seek to create. Bin Laden fuels his effort of moltivating and radicalizing new terrorists by creating a George Bush as a "boogeyman" and George Bush and the Republicans survive politically by using Osama Bin Laden as a "boogeyman", they both need each other and feed off of each other.
PROGRESSIVE VALUES
This slug of a man admits to using fear and terror as a campaign tool!
Rove: GOP to Use Terror As Campaign Issue
"osama facor" = boogeyman ... i've too sensed and pretty much convinced this is in play. add rove into this mix = perfect political storm for demos. so, without any ideas ... what will or can the demos do ... except be perplexed? i'd like to say that's why the white house has not caught osama, except i think it's more of incompetence. the other factor facing the demos is there appears to be no united demo offensive to expose the wrong doings of bush nor the fact that rove commands the media at the drop of a hat. amazing for a non-elected offical having such command, amazing?
Posted by PamB on January 21, 2006 at 09:33 AM
they are a bunch of nazi's and the people who vote for them are no better than the german citizens who claimed they didn't know any war crimes were happening, but they profited from it
The "AUTOCRATIC CONSERVATIVE" EXTREME "BUSH ADMINISTRATION" was complicit with the SAUDI TERRORISTS in causing the terror that started the "AUTOCRATIC CONSERVATIVE" EXTREME "BUSH ADMINISTRATION'S" War of Terror.
As for the Osama bin Laden Tapes that the "AUTOCRATIC CONSERVATIVE" EXTREME "BUSH ADMINISTRATION" is using to try to continue to terrorize the American people. These Osama bin Laden Tapes are another "set up" between the "AUTOCRATIC CONSERVATIVE" EXTREME "BUSH ADMINISTRATION" and the SAUDIS, just like 9/11/01 was in the 1st place, to keep the "AUTOCRATIC CONSERVATIVE" EXTREME "BUSH ADMINISTRATIONS" War of Terror in business.
The whole "set up" from the beginning was to "terrorize and railroad" the American people into an "ongoing war" to support the "AUTOCRATIC CONSERVATIVE" EXTREME "BUSH ADMINISTRATION'S" War of Terror.
Osama bin Laden was allowed to ESCAPE at Tora Bora on the 2nd Road, as there is two roads out of Tora Bora. Under the "AUTOCRATIC CONSERVATIVE" EXTREME "BUSH ADMINISTRATION", it was never the intention of the U.S. Government to actually kill or imprison Osama bin Laden. Osama bin Laden is fraudulent President "Select" George W. Bush's life long friend.
I find truth in these links. Do a thorough investigation of the facts in these links:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8765.html
We must not allow ourselves to be railroaded into continuing to believe the lies and made up supposed facts of the "AUTOCRATIC CONSERVATIVE" EXTREME "BUSH ADMINISTRATION" promoted by the FASCIST CONTROLLED MEDIA.
Martha
Fade
You are two for two today with me woman!
Miller = PUKE
Holidaze = HUMBUG
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total tally = Bush = BIG OLE HUGE AZZ MISTAKE
I'm presently watching the GORE speech again. I can't believe that was way last MONDAY!!
It was a wonderful thing to hear. Over and over!
LOVE AL!
I'm presently watching the GORE speech again. I can't believe that was way last MONDAY!!
It was a wonderful thing to hear. Over and over!
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Real good speech.
Inside Trader Frist opines:
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist told Republican Party activists on Friday night that U.S. Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito was the "worst nightmare of liberal Democrats."
Frist, a Tennessee Republican, made the remark to fellow Republicans during a private tour he gave them of the Senate chamber when the Senate was not in session.
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So, the Pugs are even bragging that they know Alito is a stink bomb!
alito = filibuster
What was amazing to me most about this new Bin Laden tape is that he was able to make the connection between Bush's electoral campaign and the merchants of war. So why can't some Americans make that same connection, too?
From Daily Kos diary:
The Abramoff/GOP connection to sweatshops is old news, but worth more investigation. Now new details are emerging.
I've been following Abramoff for a long time and I've posted about the connections between Abramoff, sweatshops, China, DeLay & the GOP a number of times. The link has been the Tan family, the Chinese family behind the sweatshops on Saipan and Millions of dollars sent to the GOP through Jack Abramoff.
The Tan Family and how they connect the GOP to China has been a very underplayed part of this scandal. I've always thought that when this part of the scandal breaks, it will break big.
Well, tonight the story is starting to break.
Over in Hong Kong, Zack Coleman, a reporter for China's Business Newspaper The Weekly Standard has been writing has been writing about the Tan-GOP ties for years.
Today, he broke new details of the Abramoff/China/Sweatshop/GOP connection and how it fits into the growing scandal.
More on the jump...
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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/20/231845/839
This Abramoff scandal will go on for years. The Pugs have buried themselves in dirt. Let's not throw them any shovels.
So why can't some Americans make that same connection, too?
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They need to turn off the Faux News. MSNBC becoming almost as bad with the except of Keith Olbermann.
Ok I don't get why the national press is BLASTING over and over the fact that one of GW's roommates in college was of the Bin Laden Family!!!
Of ALL the families in ALL the world - it just happens to be???? NO!
Why isn't someone promoting this or at LEAST reminding the public. They are so damn dense!
Hey rj,
I like Keith but have also noticed that he spends LITTLE time on real politics these days. Opting for sports and ODDBALL news.
I'm a bit ticked off that he's wasting so much AIR time when he could be using it to more fruitful purposes.
Of ALL the families in ALL the world - it just happens to be???? NO!
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That's scary to say the least. The Bush's have been in bed with the Saudis for decades. I am hardly surprised that the Bush family has close ties to the Bin Laden family. Keep in mind that the Bin Laden's are very wealthy influential people in Saudi. UBL is the renegade in the family. Also, remember how quickly the Bin Laden's got out of the country around 9/11 ... fishy, very fishy.
I like Keith but have also noticed that he spends LITTLE time on real politics these days. Opting for sports and ODDBALL news.
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Hi Dawnelle,
I wonder if he is getting pressure from the corporate masters to get with the right winger program? That would be a shame!
I have to admit that I watch less and less of network TV news with the exception of C-Span.
I come to rely on google news, daily kos and this web site.
Rove: It's the (eternal) war, stupid!
In his first speech in two months, "Bush's brain" laid out his plan for GOP victory: War, war and more war.
By Walter Shapiro
Jan. 21, 2006 | WASHINGTON -- It was Karl Rove's first public speech in two months. But there were no dramatic cries of "He's back -- our long national nightmare is over!" when the recently reclusive White House political guru appeared Friday before several hundred members of the Republican National Committee.
While Rove is still dancing under a legal cloud in the ongoing CIA leak investigation, he radiated no visible signs of distress. A lesser man might have been daunted not only by fears of a possible indictment by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, but also by worries that the woeful 27 percent approval rate (the Gallup Poll) for the Republican Congress presages a GOP rout in November.
By the standards of Washington soap opera, Rove's luncheon address offered the kind of melodrama that only C-SPAN could love. But taken together with a morning speech by RNC chairman Ken Mehlman, this rhetorical onslaught offered intriguing clues about where the Republican high command wants to position the party for the congressional elections. Both Rove and Mehlman were playing to their base -- the state chairmen and elephant-pin-wearing local stalwarts who constitute the pachyderm heart of the Republican Party.
the complete story...
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/01/21/rove/
Right RJ
Also most of the Gen. Public doesn't know or care about the details but if we could just manage to KEEP the more simple points in the forefront......
just saying over and over that W's roommate was a BinLaden.
MOST people remember their college roommates. It's NOT like the military where you are STUCK with them if you don't like them.
I have some FOND memories of the many roommates I've had and I remember them ALL!
And I am disabled now taking LOTS of medications so if I still remember - you KNOW he does. Wait - there is the fact he's fried MOST of his brain from alcohol abuse. But, not one drunk will admit that so we don't want to remind them of that. It will only tick them off!
(yep from the inside OUT)
disintergrating grey matter - ouch!
But, not one drunk will admit that so we don't want to remind them of that. It will only tick them off!
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But even if he is too drunk and stupid to remember the Bin Ladens, his father knows them well! There was something suspicious at how the Bin Ladens got out of "Dodge" so quickly around 9/11.
RJ
Another Michael Moore moment that the National Press has decided was a lie or not worth repeating!
HOW OBVIOUS! (for anyone even mildly interested in knowing the facts)
Proves that the more stubborn you are the more apt you are to be STUPIDl!! lol
Rove: It's the (eternal) war, stupid!
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You got that right! The endless war justifies the endless dictatorship of Bush. How far will Junior push the unitary theory of the Presidency? There is no way of knowing. We may not have seen the worst of it yet particularly if Alito is approved.
Ok someone smart tell me how I can get the TV ratings for the other day when Cheney spoke and then again when Rove spoke.
I really would love to KNOW and BROADCAST just how poor the ratings must have (should have) been for those two shows.
this is in response to Toosmart's question about why no one is asking Bush to go back and get warrants for the illegal wiretaps
After performing a wiretap for which there wasn't time to get the warrant in advance, the government has 72 hours AFTER the fact to get the warrant. FYI this is based on information I heard on MSNBC and not research I did independently so it may not be entirely accurate. A democratic pundit said they had 72 hours to get a warrant after the wiretap if they didn't have time in advance. I hope this helps.
Another Michael Moore moment that the National Press has decided was a lie or not worth repeating!
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What's amazing is that I recall that moment vividly. I thought at the time - how odd is it that no one can get a plane flight but the Bin Laden's are high-tailing it out of the country?
It was one step removed from simply putting them on Air Force 1.
After performing a wiretap for which there wasn't time to get the warrant in advance, the government has 72 hours AFTER the fact to get the warrant.
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That is the FISA law! The judge can then tell them to cease and desist if they don't agree with the probable cause.
Had Richard Clarke not debunked Moores claim about the flights (and he did from what I remember) than Moore wouldn't be discounted like he is............? perhaps.
I'm now quite sure it was cya for him to say that. Otherwise his whole career would have been lumped in with the rest of them. IMO.
Clarke that is - not Moore
I used to love watching Mike Moore years ago too. I knew his show would be scrapped after I saw the things he was starting to uncover.
What was it called? Alien Nation or something?
I for one think the economy and our dependence on the Middle East might be a campaign issue during the 2006 election cycle. I think Rove and Bush are over-confident with regards to the economy. While the economy isn't in horrible shape right now, the average wage increase last year didn't even keep up with inflation! Our budget and trade deficits are both enormous, which will tend to drive up interest rates. Even though the Fed might be finished with raising interest rates... at least for now, we should remember it takes up to a year and a half for interest rate increases to filter through the economy. Recent aarnings reports have not been the blockbusters investors were expecting. The housing market is cooling. Plus, a bunch of graduate students, myself included, who left the work force in 2002-2003(tending to drive down unemployment) will be rejoining the workforce during 2006, 2007, and 2008 (tending to drive up unemployment). Rove better be careful when he says, "run on Bush's record." On top of all this, oil prices have passed $68 per barrel and are near their all time highs. It's a damn shame Republicans in Congress refused to conduct a real investigation as to why gas prices were so much higher right after Katrina. Afterall, oil prices are now are the same as they were then, but we don't have the enormous increase in prices at the pump. By November 2006, the economic picture could appear vastly different than it does right now (either positively or negatively). Rove should be careful. Furthermore, our dependency on Iran's oil is a national security issue and, on that issue, the GOP has failed miserably.
The government is short on funds and yet lobbyists are paid extremely well! Making the tax cuts permanent will only ensure that increased deficits and increased interests rates will also be permanent. Medicaid could be another issue. The GOP's prescription drug program has been a complete disaster. Corruption and cronyism will not make this nation secure.
Alien Nation or something?
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LOL - so that's what these Bush-itas are! Plan B From Outer Space. They are definitely a bunch of autocrats.
While the economy isn't in horrible shape right now, the average wage increase last year didn't even keep up with inflation!
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In fact, real wages have decreased over the past five years. The Wall Street Journal, no bastion of liberalism, reported that last year on average
Americans spent more than they earned! The last time that occurred was the Great Depression era.
So, even though the economy is okay from technical perspectives, the American people have not participated in the expansion.
And then you have a crushing budget deficit. We are living on borrowed time. Historical analogies:
Japan in the 1980's when they fell into a 20 year depression.
Edwardian England toward the end of British colonial empire.
I sure hope something worst is NOT in the cards.
The last time that occurred was the Great Depression era.
oh wonderful news
:-\
On the GOP being the party that makes us more secure:
Its the story of the little boy who cried wolf....
Who's going to believe them when we really are in danger?
Who's going to believe them when we really are in danger?
Posted by DTree on January 21, 2006 at 12:06 PM
the little mindless sheeple who still follow him. Something like 24 percent? LOL
It would be so cool if we could get control of either house in Congress:
Here are a list of investigations, please let me know if I'm missing any:
1) The Plame Scandal
2) Abramoff -- even though it may impact some democrats, it'd be healthy for the Party in the long run to get rid its own corruption that may or may not exist, and this would have a much greater impact on the GOP.
3) Cheney's meeting with Enron executives -- I want to know what was said...
4) Bill Frist's stock sale
5) Duke Cunningham
6) Tom Delay
7) Price gouging in the oil industry following Katrina
8)Perhaps most important -- Intelligence picture leading up to the invasion of Iraq. Specifically focusing on the Bush Administration's insistance of a working relationship between Saddam and Bin Laden. I saw an article on MSNBC stating Bush emphasized such a linkage even though his administration knew it didn't exist.
Am I missing anything?
rjsnj,
yes I noticed the savings rate is currently negative. I believe this is not sustainable. I also think we're feeling the pinch. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe real wages declined by an even larger percentage in 2004, this ought to be a news story....
Downing street? I don't follow you, I think I missed this... what happened?
Even though the Fed might be finished with raising interest rates... at least for now, we should remember it takes up to a year and a half for interest rate increases to filter through the economy.
***
Very true! Another historical tidbit for you. The last time the United States spent itself into a huge hole because of a war - Vietnam - the end result was the stagflation of the 1970's (high interest rate + slow economic growth).
I think that the Federal Reserve will get off of the gas pedal. There may be one more rate increase but then they will declare we reached neutrality. The reason is that there is concern about the recent yield curve inversions (even though it was mild).
Even though there is growth, there isn't significant inflation at the core CPI level.
However, are getting killed by health care expenses, heating their homes and gasoline. Also, housing market is definitely cooling off based on December's data. This is definitely an argument to stop raising interest rates.
Corporate earnings may be slowing in some cases but corporate expenditures are still decent. The big question is will a beaten down consumer throw in the towel especially since re-financing their home won't put more money in their pocket. Also, what will happen when people start hearing the horror stories brought on by the new bankruptcy laws. If the consumer slows down coupled with a business spending slowdown, another recession will occur.
Bush has nothing to boast about. The economy has failed to grow enough jobs to cover young people entering the work force. That is why many young people have elected to stay in college and earn a Masters degree or acquire yet another academic discipline. Man oh man, will the college loans be big!
Oh, and my apologies to Al Gore, add to that list the NSA wiretap issue -- I agree with Al Gore, if you don't have time to get the warrant before you spy, get one within 72 hours of spying pursuant to the law. An investigation would help solidify this.
9) NSA Wiretap
yes I noticed the savings rate is currently negative. I believe this is not sustainable. I also think we're feeling the pinch. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe real wages declined by an even larger percentage in 2004, this ought to be a news story....
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Kev,
It's a train wreck waiting to happen. One author put it very well - we are on the verge of creating a wave of economic zombies. People that are permanently in a state of bankruptcy.
That can not last and will ultimately drag the corporations selling all that stuff to Americans in Walmarts down as well.
My disability pay used to go up by about 10 bux a year (or something minimal like that). This year they sent me some big ass notice that I was getting a whole 50 dollar raise.
But it never appeared on my Jan 3 check.
I won't complain tho and they know it. Being disabled puts me in a position where I really would feel like some chit monkey to complain.
I'm Lucky my Mother has SS and a pension or ..... no I'm not gonna go there.
It's the weekend. Pushing for a bit -o- happy.
lol
:-0 You don't know about The Downing Street Memo?
SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY
It's the weekend. Pushing for a bit -o- happy.
lol
***
Good luck with your disability. I don't know how people living on mainly SS are making it these days.
Yes indeed, it is the weekend. We should find some happiness!
Have a good Saturday all
RJ,
I'm one of those young people! I'm currently in law school, but I'll soon be rejoining the workforce. The bankruptcy laws are troubling. Some of the changes for businesses are actually positive, but for individuals, I think the changes will be very problematic. Before changing bankruptcy laws to prevent abuse, the administration and congress should have investigated the amount of abuse that was occurring. Then they should have decided whether changing the laws would actually solve problems as opposed to creating new problems.
I wasn't alive during the Vietnam War Era. I was told in history class the stagflation was Carter's fault, but didn't understand the reasoning. Personally I always thought the problems in the 70's were due to our dependence on the Middle East, but I wasn't alive and I have to admit I haven't really thought about it that much. I never realized it was connected to the Vietnam War.
Thanks rjsnj and the same to you!
I will bbl. Time for other things and other places on the road map to hell.
(ok maybe not hell but real damn close)
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NO TO ALITO!
Ahh, I understand what you're saying about Vietnam in terms of economics. It just took me a while. I have never studied the economics behind the Vietnam War, only the reasoning for the war and its political aftermath. I almost feel sorry for the President who succeeds Bush. Although I think some of these percolating problems will manifest themselves before he leaves office, I'm sure his successor will be forced to accept some of the blame for Bush's flawed leadership. I'm currently reading about the Downing Street Memo.
Good golly Miss Molly; Molly Ivins lambasts Hillary Clinton for her "republican lite" makeover
The well known columnist wrote "I will not support Hillary Clinton for president", "enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone."
She points out that a majority of americans support raising the minimum wage, repealing the Bush tax cuts and imposing a windfall profits tax on oil companies. "This is the center you fools, who are you afraid of"?
Using Gene McCarthy as an example, she calls for the public to look elsewhere for someone with the "guts" to say what needs to be said. "there are times when regular politics won't do, and this is one of those times. There are times when a county is so tired of bull that only the truth can provide relief".
ezworld,
If you want me to sign something urging our leaders to oppose Alito and/or filibuster, I will do so, but I don't think it's going to happen. Alito isn't the key vote with regards to Lawrence or Roe. Ultimately, the Court will not be the instrument through which women retain the right to have an abortion or gays rightly gain their right to marry. It will have to be through popular opinion and the election of like-minded officials. For too long GOP efforts to pack the Court persisted. Unfortunately, these efforts have been very effective. The populous supports Roe, yet has been voting Republican. Alito told us nothing at his confirmation hearings, yet the public is behind him. This isn't a dooms-day message. My generation believes the GOP, once again, is on the wrong side of a civil rights issue. The generation following my generation is even more strongly against the GOP on this issue. Justice Stevens is still healthy, but should his health fail or should he choose to step down, I think you'll see more people willing to fight. I think our leaders are saving the filibuster for that fight. Even if pro-lifers win and Roe is overturned and lawrence is overturned (overturning Lawrence would enable Texans, and like minded ideologues, to throw gays in prison for being gay), all is not lost. The fight will then be taken to the legislature. The media is very conservative right now, but should Roe go at around the same time the economy turns south, I think you'll see a shift. Ultimately what matters is whether or not Republicans are elected. That's why they were able to confirm Roberts and may end up being able to confirm Alito so easily. We need to focus on elections, the courts should have been a last resort. If we shift our focus and fight to elect like-minded individuals (like the GOP has done, I think we can turn this around.
rj, you mentioned the "Fed" and rising interest rates; are you knowledgeable of who the Fed is and how they came to be?
Richard,
You wrote:
She points out that a majority of americans support raising the minimum wage, repealing the Bush tax cuts and imposing a windfall profits tax on oil companies. "This is the center you fools, who are you afraid of"?
Yeah perhaps our leaders been being too careful about criticizing the GOP. You saw what the media did to Howard Dean, perhaps Hilary doesn't want to suffer the same fate. Perhaps she doesn't want to be punished for being passionate. I still think you're right that although they have to be calm and refrain from giving the conservative media a means to destroy them, our leaders must have a clear message. You've mentioned a couple of issues they should mention repeatedly.
For an education on the Fed (and Central Banks)rip off of...the world, actually go to the site below and read some of the topics.
http://www.themoneymasters.com/
This is something that desperatly needs addressing.
Posted by Kev on January 21, 2006 at 12:24 PM
Stagflation was a term coinrd in London in 1965. It started to hit the USA during the Nixon years, and really took off under Ford. The addition of the Oil Embargo really did a whammy. Carter used the FDR model of increasing Public Works projects to temper it, and that seemed to be working, but those projects were canned under Reagan, and then the GM layoffs started the cycle all over again.
Scroll down to the Graph compiled by Pepperdine University
Let's start hitting back with some real truth. In the eyes of the world bush and his cronies have committed crimes against humanity -- war crimes. So let's call a spade a spade. Their deserved label is WAR CRIMINALS.
Crap, I forgot about that rule ;). The Michigan State Board of Canvassers approved the wording for an anti-affirmative action iniative to be put on the Nov. ballot. I don't think I like that.
http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060121/NEWS04/601210339/1005/opinion
I was so bored I watched THIS episode of SOUTH PARK that Tom Cruise sued to stop it from being aired in England (after it already aired here).
Hillarious!! It SLAMS Scientology, and has many many referrences about Tom refusing to "come out of the closet"
You'll have to se it. I got the link from HuffPo.
I think I seen that one not too long ago. Usually South Park is hilarious, especially when they do a show on current events. Those bastards!!
kitchen sink defense... nice photo of scooter, too....
howdy boyz...do i have you two fine young men all to myself? where is everybody?
I guess we are only allowed 1 post per hour.
Here is treat that was included in my soapbox too.
DPD and D'Bert, have either of you visited The Money Masters site? Have we ever had a discussion about the Central Bank (Fed) on this site?
letshelpdean; Buy a Democracy Bond
Posted by followthemoney on January 21, 2006 at 04:32 PM
never heard of the website, ftm. Shoot over a link.
Dell, i blew a bubble at your soapbox. What a sweet story about how you met your wife.
Maybe i should start smoking again.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 21, 2006 at 04:39 PM
That is the only thing good that's ever happened to me because of my everlasting addiction to nicotine. What sucks is I have no desire to quit right now and desire is what did it for me last time I quit. I quit for 2 years after my first was born.
Dell, the fundigelicals are trying to round up enough signatures to get an anti-gay marriage amendment going in IL...
Joyce Meyers Ministries, out of Missouri, is the largest non-profit in the state...over a million dollars a year. Gettin you a jeeezus station on the t.v. is a very profitable little gig...
DeLL, with the idiot we have in the WH I'm surprised we're not all sniffing glue.
Last week I saw a news story that per Capita alcohol consumption went UP since W was annointed.
ANOTHER indicator that the people aren't happy, or just have nothing else to nimb themselves.
The last time there was a spike (no pun intended) like that was in the early 80's when the economy was also tanking.
The Pugs manage to facilitate all the things they CLAIM they are against: Drinking, Smoking, Divorce, abortions.....
Posted by DPD on January 21, 2006 at 04:49 PM
I've noticed my drinking habits kind of change with the news cycle. It's kind of odd, but when the Bush regime does something that pisses me off, I'll drink a couple of beers. Lucky for me, I'm already pissed off, so it takes a lot to piss me off from my already pissed off state.
Well Michael Moore did not waste time in responding to Tweety. fade, you will definitely enjoy this.
Maybe i should start smoking again.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 21, 2006 at 04:39 PM
Don't you dare! I'm come out there and kick your scrappy ass. You might kick box, I just throw a mean right hook. ;)
DPD,
You may be familiar with Robert Parry, who is a journalist with an impeccable record for getting the story straight...specialty the Reagan Years, Iran-Contra, etc...
and today he has Consortium News. You're old enough to remember the October Surprise. Happy Anniversary. If you're still bored, read this.
where is everybody?
Posted by fade2bluz on January 21, 2006 at 04:31 PM
I just spend the last hour walking the streets in my tiny hamlet aquiring signatures for my central committee precinct petition as well as circulating a petiton for Zack
Posted by Bleujae on January 21, 2006 at 04:56 PM
Maybe that's what I need, a good ass kicking to knock me off this habit!! :)
{{{Lizzy}}} ROFLMAO! Thank you!
Don't worry, bleu...just kidding around. I have no desire to participate in that nasty business. I like the extra money in my pocket.
Zack will get a nice donation this week when i get paid. I gave $100 to PFAW's Stop Alito campaign, so my budget for activism is drained.
DeLL,
It will catch up to you. I wish I would have never started again in '93. But divorce is rough on some people. Wasn't so rough to leave for good in '04. ;)
consortiumnews.com
i don't know why those ads intrude...haha
sorry
fade, I have read both Robert Parry's books: Lost History and Secrecy and Privilege...both should be must reading for a Dem. Tells the Iran Contra thing and the Bush history like it is.
Posted by Bleujae on January 21, 2006 at 05:05 PM
Congrats on quitting. I've had crappy things happen to me on quit dates I've set the past two dates I've set. The first one, I got called to Active Duty, the second one, well, don't much like to talk about that day. So for now, I'm quitting quitting until I get over my irrational fear of quit dates ;)
follow,
i agree...i think he lost his job for reporting a your link on banking little too much truth...
I've ALWAYS felt that there were Pug fingerprints ALL over that Hostage thing, even with the date being EXACTLY 1 year before the General Election, so the News would HAVE to say...
"The Polls are open on this, the 1 year anniversary...."
Posted by Bleujae on January 21, 2006 at 05:07 PM
Higher, closer to 5 bucks a pack.
well, off to my little red kitchen to try the pasta rolling machine...my, my how things change...
Jack N said: "...we can't handle the truth..." Is that true?
dpd,
there is a book written by Carter's national security guy...it was another good one...oh yeah...it was not a coincidence.
the dark fractional faction of the CIA under big daddy bush has been laying the foundation for this nazi takeover for many years...wow, a little too early for me to connect with my inner mike malloy, but i'm feelin' it
DPD, Parry tells the whole story in Lost History...HW Bush went to Paris to work out the details
follow,
ever hear a German talk about our political scene? i spent four hours in the airport a year ago, getting an ear full..
yes, we cannot handle the truth...the collective "we"
it's absolutely so obvious
Nd poppy was the head of the RNC during Watergate, with all THAT money laundering.
The circle is unbroken, with Cheney, Rummy, and all those other clowns from Nixon's days doing the same stuff again.
Higher, closer to 5 bucks a pack.
Posted by DeLLBerto on January 21, 2006 at 05:10 PM
Crimminy! That would be a $160 a month habit if I still had it. Being a little lucy-fer here...I wonder how much the other smoke is? haha
When all we get in our news IV tube is off the network or cable we stay on the reservation...or is it 'plantation'? The web has been a godsend for getting the truth...which we MUST handle.
Posted by Bleujae on January 21, 2006 at 05:19 PM
That doesn't come particularly cheap up here at least in the mid 90s. The price has remained relatively stable at $25-$40 for an 1/8th. Same amount out in Los Angeles is a dimebag. The only reason I know the prices these days is I've got a friend who does undercover work for UPSET (Upper Peninsula Substance Enforcement Team). They've actually turned most of their attention to crack, cocaine, heroin and meth as of late.
I, also, just got an XM radio so I get Air Amer radio. Now I know who Mike Malloy is...and Randi R and Jerry S and Al F...
Posted by followthemoney on January 21, 2006 at 05:26 PM
I've been asking people who make mention of having XM if it is a worthwhile buy. What do you think of it?
DeLL, "The Onion" did a spoof news article about drugs being GOOD for kids because it helps them with their math aptitude by figuring metric conversions in their head.
Posted by DPD on January 21, 2006 at 05:28 PM
LOL I love the Onion. One of my buddies turned me on to that in 1997, while we were both on lockdown at Ft. Gordon, GA. It proved to be a Godsend during those lockdown times. Although 3/4 of the time we snuck out anyways.
DeLL! You are too much! I was just kidding about that last.
but since you posted it...What you are saying is, it's better to smoke illegal? ;)
I'm out of here...time for some good ole' family tradition wholesomeness. A birthday party for one of my nephews. He's 4! Woo-Hoo! Being the crazy Aunt that I am, I'll wear a party hat like one of the kids! It's great to embarrass your own grown children! What goes around comes around!
Enjoy the late afternoon/early evening!
Posted by Bleujae on January 21, 2006 at 05:34 PM
My kids still enjoy goofy antics like that. Enjoy the party!!
jacque,
party on!! have a wonderful time with your hat on...
our little nazi original sin
hey dpd, how did that strange thing work with the white house coming up when you google failure?
Del, the radio was only $45..the service is $13 a month. Right and Left radio on side by side channels...lol..lots of music...some sports...no NFL that I have found yet. CNN, Caliente (great Latin music) etc etc...
But one of Dole's most notorious political dirty tricks came in 1974 when his links to Nixon and Watergate were threatening his re-election. Dole faced a popular Democratic congressman named William Roy, a doctor who had performed 10 abortions during his career. On the Sunday before the election, Catholic churchgoers in Kansas found their car windows plastered with leaflets showing dead fetuses in garbage cans and praising Dole's strong anti-abortion position.
Two days later, Dole edged Roy by a single percentage point. Roy's campaign manager Bob Brock then traced the money for the fetus leaflets back to the Dole campaign, though Dole denied authorizing the ads. Brock believes his success in that investigation earned him a spot on Nixon's famed "enemies list" and harassment from the Internal Revenue Service.
Posted by followthemoney on January 21, 2006 at 05:56 PM
I might be getting a car reciever for free. I don't have Air America up here where I'm at, so that would be a great thing to have. I also don't get to see/hear my Los Angeles Dodgers very often and I know XM has MLB. I am going to have to invest in it I think.
fade, it's because the word "failure" has been connected to Bush in the news reports, and ANYTHING put on the web, like "Bush's failure to pass his agenda..."
Bush's SS Reform seems likely to go down , a stunning failure for his second term agenda...
That kind of stuff. ALSO whenever WE say he's a failure it gets counted.
That's why the Freepers have a permanent open link for Alito, Hillary, basically ANYTHING they want to push a cerain agenda. So if anyone Googles a particular phrase or name the first few listings will be Pug sites with all their propaganda.
Google gregg's full name. There is another famous guy with his name who is a permanent hot link for a Federal science site.
BBL, martini party 1 day late.
(Damn Yuppies had "plans" yesterday.)
Oh, well if she's for it, then I guess it's OK, right?
Laura Bush backs domestic spying program
The President broke the law, "Repeatedly" and "Persistently". --Al Gore
This is on tonight.
Enemy of the State (1998)
ABC Jan 21 08:00pm
A former NSA operative aids the innocent victim of a politically motivated assassination cover-up. Adult Situations; Language.
Cast: Will Smith, Gene Hackman, Jon Voight, Lisa Bonet, Regina King, Stuart Wilson, Tom Sizemore, Loren Dean, Barry Pepper, Ian Hurt, Jake Busey, Scott Caan, Jason Lee, Gabriel Byrne, James LeGros.
Director(s): Tony Scott.
Producer(s): Chad Oman, James W. Skotchdople, Jerry Bruckheimer.
hey could you all imagine Laura Bush running on the republican ticket in 08
the thought is enough to make me want to hurl
and that's the same knee jerk reaction republicans get with the thought of another Clinton in the White House
Are You Ready to Be Bugged and Tortured by George W. Bush?
By Harvey Wasserman
The Free Press
Thursday 19 January 2006
It's not really terrorists George W. Bush wants to bug and torture. It's YOU.
It's not really terrorism he wants to fight. It's opposition from people he can't control.
It's not really US security he wants to protect. It's the power of his regime.
The Constitutional debate about whether these executive privileges are allowable in war is a smoke screen.
This isn't about war: It's about dictatorship. It's about making power permanent by using private information against you, and by terrifying you with torture.
Team Bush believes it rules by Divine right. It has already re-defined "terrorist" to mean anyone who questions its power. It will use "anti-terrorist" wiretapping as a tool against anyone who dares oppose it.
All serious indicators show that "information" extracted by torture is virtually worthless in fighting terrorism. So is the information taken from wiretapping huge numbers of people, which Bush has been doing since before 9/11.
So ask yourself: if granted the power to torture, do you trust the Bush Administration--or any regime- to refrain from torturing its political opponents? If granted the power to record private phone conversations, do you trust Karl Rove to not use this material against his political opponents?
Who will Bush go after first? Al Queda or the Quakers? Bin Laden or Cindy Sheehan?
If Bush gets away with this, then it's simple: if you are too outspoken in opposing this regime's destruction of social security, or the natural environment, or the economy, you will sooner or later be subject to torture.
If Bush's phone buggers pick up information or statements taken out of context that can incriminate or make you look bad, Rove will not hesitate to leak them to FOX and use them for partisan purposes.
The Constitution of the United States is absolutely clear about banning these abuses. The patriotic Americans who demanded the Bill of Rights knew these powers must be outlawed to retain any hope of preserving our freedom and democracy. That's why they did so, clearly and explicitly.
Those who support giving Bush these powers are undoubtedly ready and willing to be tortured and bugged themselves.
As for the rest of us, there can be no compromise with tyranny.
ezworld, Junior already said he won't her to even run for the Senate.
Senator Laura Bush? President Says Never.
Domingo
yeah, just like the American Taliban that he is ;-)
They're all crooks and liars, aren't they?
Two of his former aides are facing criminal prosecution. Federal agents have subpoenaed his financial and administrative records. State investigators are examining his conduct with women.
And he's the sheriff.
Scandals and controversies have clouded Orange County Sheriff Michael S. Carona's public and private lives, dimming the prospects of a man whose political future once seemed unlimited.
Carona's official biography describes him as "America's sheriff," the handle CNN's Larry King gave him after the successful hunt for the killer of 5-year-old Samantha Runnion, whose kidnap-murder captivated the nation.
The sheriff's camera-grabbing performance in the 2002 case made him an overnight sensation in Republican circles — a would-be contender for lieutenant governor and rumored candidate for a Bush administration post.
He met with White House political strategist Karl Rove to plot career moves.
But as Carona prepares for what could be a tougher-than-expected reelection drive, America and higher office will have to wait.
LA Times
Yes Domingo, they are Crooks and Liars...and C&L has decided to BLOG Lou Dobbs...well he does deserve it.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1529828
Rescuers Find Bodies of Two W.Va. Miners
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BushCo policies in action
Mining
Levees
Medicare
tax breaks to the wealthiest
no child left behind
you really have to be stupid to continue to support Bushie and company
http://azplace.net/index.php?itemid=307
Things you have to believe to be a Republican today
Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you’re a conservative radio host. Then it’s an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.
The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.
Government should relax regulation of Big Business and Big Money but crack down on individuals who use marijuana to relieve the pain of illness.
“Standing Tall for America” means firing your workers and moving their jobs to India.
A woman can’t be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.
Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.
The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans’ benefits and combat pay.
Group sex and drug use are degenerate sins unless you someday run for governor of California as a Republican.
If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won’t have sex.
A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.
HMOs and insurance companies have the interest of the public at heart.
Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.
Global warming and tobacco’s link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.
Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush’s daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a “we can’t find Bin Laden” diversion.
A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.
Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.
The public has a right to know about Hillary’s cattle trades, but George Bush’s driving record is none of our business.
You support states’ rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have a right to adopt.
What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the ’80s is irrelevant.
Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
back at ya ;-)
http://houseoflabor.tpmcafe.com/story/2006/1/21/153411/254
The Party of Rove
By Tom Hilton
From: Republicans Table
The funniest line of the day is brought to us (via Kevin Drum) by the New York Times. It isn't this one:
For 26 minutes, after calling for civility in politics in a packed speech before the Republican National Committee, Mr. Rove offered a lacerating attack on Democrats...
That's a pretty funny line and all, but it lacks subtlety (I mean really--I was laughing after 'calling for civility'; the 'lacerating attack' part is gratuitous, because we can just assume that).
Nor is it this one:
In his speech, Mr. Rove made no mention of his own legal situation.
Again...it's perfectly on target, but it's just a little too obvious.
No, the funniest line of the day is this one:
Mr. Rove's speeches this early in an election year have proved to be accurate predictors of what Republican candidates would say in the fall...
Rove on the Supreme Court: Americans want judges who wil strictly apply the law.
I guess that doesn't really explain why YOU still have you job, Mr. Rove!
But, OK, let's hold them to their words: Mr. President, you have failed to hold yourelf to that standard.
It's very fitting, then, that you should be held accountable for your own EXECUTIVE ACTIVISM for repeatedly and brazenly violating numerous established laws: FISA, Habeus Corpus, Cruel & Unusual Punishment... you name it, the Bush regime broke it!
(if you can stomach more, you can read the "honorable" Karl Rove's statement on the rnc website... yucky)
Rove on the Supreme Court: Americans want judges who will strictly apply the law.
I guess that doesn't really explain why YOU still have you job, Mr. Rove!
But, OK, let's hold them to their words: Mr. President, you have failed to hold yourself to that standard.
It's very fitting, then, that you should be held accountable for your own EXECUTIVE ACTIVISM, for repeatedly and brazenly violating numerous established laws: FISA, Habeus Corpus, Cruel & Unusual Punishment... you name it, the Bush regime broke it!
(if you can stomach more, you can read the "honorable" Karl Rove's statement on the rnc website... yucky)
(if you can stomach more, you can read the "honorable" Karl Rove's statement on the rnc website... yucky)
Posted by DTree on January 21, 2006 at 07:37 PM
that left a horrible taste in my mouth
bbl ;-)
that left a horrible taste in my mouth
bbl ;-)
Posted by ezworld on January 21, 2006 at 07:52 PM
Kinda like cleaning up after your dog... it's nasty but, you gotta do it ;-P
Downstate buddy if you're lurking, comment on my blog, I've gotta ask ya something.
speaking of judges; this is sweet, NH activists want to seize Souter's home in NH via eminent domain to build Hotel Liberty!
Group gathers signatures in support of "Hotel Souter"
WEARE, N.H. --A group opposed to a U.S. Supreme Court decision on eminent domain gathered signatures Saturday in support of turning Justice David Souter's home into a hotel.
"I'm here today because I believe in the cause and my personal home is in eminent domain proceedings," Deans said.
The idea of requiring the town to seize Souter's farmhouse and develop a "Hotel Lost Liberty" on the property started with Logan Darrow Clements, of Los Angeles, who wanted to protest the Supreme Court's 5-4 decision in Kelo v. City of New London.
Souter joined the majority in ruling New London, Conn., could seize residents' homes to make way for a hotel, convention center, office space and condominiums near Pfizer Inc.'s new research headquarters because it would benefit the public by creating jobs and increasing tax revenues.
turnabout
Hi Bob,
You know what is so disgusting abou the New London case? The deal fell through, and the houses they took over are just sitting there, and they won't sell them back to the original owners!
Typical government idiocy !
Hey DELL
I'm watching Meet The Press. About Jack A. The reporter who broke the story along with a couple more panelists are being questioned by TinyWhineyTim. Karen Tumulty is another.
Could you post a link to 39N on my blog, I'll delete it as soon as I get there?
Hello all,
I stumbled across an item while conducting a search on the MSNBC web site. I was looking for coverage (any coverage) of the Conyers hearing on wiretapping. So I did a search on their search bar for "wiretapping". Item one was the following live poll. The results are astounding.
Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment?
86% Yes
12% No
2% Don't know
WOW!
Chicago
That one has been around for a at least a month.
It's past being reliable but still good to see.
Dell I'm not there. And sorry I wouldn't be able to do that. E mail me from my website and I'll send it to you ok?
Ahh, I'm at work so I can't get to email. That's all right. I'm just having a crappy night and didn't want to talk much about it here.
Go HERE DELL
scroll down to the swing set and you can do it direct from there.
I know. It's got me down. Jason was a teamate of mine in high school, a friend of mine out of high school so I got to know Erin. I've been a chain smoking mess since hearing about that.
OH jeez you actually KNEW them???
sigh. so young, such a waste. life is rarely fair.
sorry Dell
They just got married this summer, Jason just got the job he's always wanted (teaching and coaching basketball) and things were just so wonderful for them. They were also members of the church I went too and always sat in the pew in front of us. She was just a great girl and perfect for Jason.
It's gonna be a L O N G and S A D night for you my friend.
Try to stay strong! We can chat more later. Peace to you!
I wish you could watch this MTP it might get your mind off of it for a spell?
Woah, ABC programmed Enemy of the State (1998) with Will Smith and Gene Hackman to play on TV tonight...
Interesting programming decision, as this movie from 8 years ago contemplated government video surveillance INSIDE YOUR HOME in the name of national security.
This administration wont stop at tapping telephones and e-mail: they want to EVERYTHING you do.
Scary.
The first step in the right direction is to take back congress this year!! Impeachment will naturally follow! :)
I wonder if Rumsfeld has answered these question yet?
Are we capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against us?
Does the US need to fashion a broad, integrated plan to stop the next generation of terrorists? The US is putting relatively little effort into a long-range plan, but we are putting a great deal of effort into trying to stop terrorists. The cost-benefit ratio is against us! Our cost is billions against the terrorists' costs of millions.
It's been over two years
If there was a course change somewhere along the line, I missed it.
Why don't we send Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter and Robertson to the Middle East and have them advocate on al-Jazeera for us.
That'll dissuade people from trying to kill us it seems.
Me thinks the object in Iraq is not to 'win' anything. It is to continue to 'battle for freedom and security' so the neocons can peddle fear and win ellections and buy lots of war making stuff with the profits going to Daddy Warbucks. Robbing us for energy is a nice sideline too.
Lift your head and look around people.
Anyone with the time and fortitude to get educated about the biggist rip-off in the world go the this site (click name). Read the topics and order the DVD. I will send you one on loan if you like. Belive me; it opens your eyes about a lot of things.
"The President does not know him, nor does the President recall ever meeting him"...
Five different photos have surfaced that show Abramhoff meeting Bush and introducing him to his clients (some Indian tribe officials).
It would appear that Jack is playing for keeps, keeping out of Jail and keeping as much of his money, and making even more later with his story.
I wonder how big an advance he will get for his book...8 maybe 9 million?
guess i'll post on two threads as dpd says this is the one in use but the most recent posts are on the friday thread.
i find this both interesting, encouraging and depressing all at once!
'Blue' States Tackling Energy On Their Own
Federal Efficiency Rules Fall Short, Some Say
By Justin Blum
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 22, 2006; Page A01
Democratic-leaning states increasingly are regulating energy use and emissions, working around a GOP-controlled federal government that state officials say has not done enough.
The states are creating energy efficiency requirements for light bulbs and household appliances, limiting power plant and automobile output linked to global warming, and requiring the use of renewable energy, such as wind and solar.
Leading the effort are "blue" states that voted Democratic in the 2004 presidential election. Even some of those states that have Republican governors, such as California and Connecticut, are making their own rules.
"In a way, the left is controlling that agenda," said Amy Myers Jaffe, associate director of the energy program at Rice University in Houston. "They're just implementing it at the community and state level."
blue skys for blue states
guess i'll post on two threads as dpd says this is the one in use but the most recent posts are on the friday thread.
i find this both interesting, encouraging and depressing all at once!
'Blue' States Tackling Energy On Their Own
Federal Efficiency Rules Fall Short, Some Say
By Justin Blum
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 22, 2006; Page A01
Democratic-leaning states increasingly are regulating energy use and emissions, working around a GOP-controlled federal government that state officials say has not done enough.
The states are creating energy efficiency requirements for light bulbs and household appliances, limiting power plant and automobile output linked to global warming, and requiring the use of renewable energy, such as wind and solar.
Leading the effort are "blue" states that voted Democratic in the 2004 presidential election. Even some of those states that have Republican governors, such as California and Connecticut, are making their own rules.
"In a way, the left is controlling that agenda," said Amy Myers Jaffe, associate director of the energy program at Rice University in Houston. "They're just implementing it at the community and state level."
blue skys for blue states
2 Houston stations to air DeLay ad
Good for them too have the balls to air the ads. He threatened to sue before.
Morning, Dems! The Sunday lineup from Kos:
Meet the Press: The future President of the United States, Barack Obama. Then a roundtable with Paul Begala, James Carville, and Mary Matalin
60 Minutes: Kinky Friedman is featured. A look at the oil extraction Biz in Canada. And a kid who makes big money playing video games
This Week: Just back from Iraq, John Kerry. Then ranking intell member, Jane Harman vs Peter Hoekstra
Face the Nation: Lieberman vs Pat Roberts. Has Joe taken a position on the Felonious Wire Taps??
CNN: George Allen vs Chuck Schumer; then Dick Holbrooke vs Smoky `da Eagleburger. Also the Foreign Ministers of South Korea and Pakistan
Foxx News: McCain vs Durbin
Posted by gregg on January 22, 2006 at 08:26 AM
Of course I am.
morning cyn. its a bit like january here or maybe november. we had this pretty amazing windy front come thru yesterday around 4pm which led to a really clear starry night.
this is from kos and it is long but it crystallizes (sp?) stuff that may have been floating around in alot of our brains:
Turning the Tables
by DarkSyde
Sun Jan 22, 2006 at 06:06:36 AM PDT
The modern GOP is a precarious alliance between moderate, sane, conservatives, corporate interests understandably focused on short term profits, and a fundamentalist mob whose social policies poll anywhere between unpopular to repugnant among the majority of Americans.
The moderates are the official face set forth in PR efforts, the corporate interests drive the money, and like in any feudal system, the cultish masses provide the votes and do the grassroots work. But there's a glaring weakness: Expose that extremist base for what it is, flip that rock over to illuminate the ugly squatting trolls hiding underneath, and it's game over folks. Here's one way to go about doing that, and in all fairness we should thank the GOP shills on Cable News and all across the blogosphere for bringing it our attention and warming up the soundbite for us so nicely.
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Osama bin Laden:
The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws
Osama bin Laden calling for 'morality':
We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest.
Osama bin Laden on Bill Clinton:
Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office?
Osama bin Laden on women in the workplace:
You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins.
Osama bin Laden on AIDS:
[Y]ou have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention
Osama bin Laden on gambling:
You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.
And that's just from one of Osama's barking at the moon bat shit crazy religious screeds. I don't know about you folks, but that doesn't sound very liberal to me. But it sure sounds like something I might hear on the GOP/fundie talk radio ...
So, when the extremist nutcases in our country start comparing patriotic Democrats and Progressives with Osama bin Laden, welcome the opportunity to point out that the present incarnation of the GOP is controlled by the religious right, the Theocons, who bear disturbing parallels to the most wanted man in the world. And you don't have to be able to whip out a bunch of quotes, all you need to remember is a simple soundbite and they will open the door for you.
The religious right is Osama bin Laden light.
That's how easy it is to turn the tables
Morning, Dell and Gregg!
Greg,we had those strong winds, too. Today looks relatively harmless - so far...
guess i better go outside and put a few bear traps around the garbage can:
Posted on Fri, Jan. 20, 2006
U.S. accused of spying on those who disagree with Bush policiesBY WILLIAM E. GIBSONSouth Florida Sun-SentinelWASHINGTON -
While the White House defended domestic surveillance as a safeguard against terrorism, a Florida peace activist and several Democrats in Congress accused the Bush administration on Friday of spying on Americans who disagree with President Bush's policies.
Richard Hersh, of Boca Raton, Fla., director of Truth Project Inc. of Palm Beach County, told an ad hoc panel of House Democrats that his group and others in South Florida have been infiltrated and spied upon despite having no connections to terrorists.
"Agents rummaged through the trash, snooped into e-mails, packed Web sites and listened in on phone conversations," Hersh charged. "We know that address books and activist meeting lists have disappeared."
The Truth Project gained national attention when NBC News reported last month that it was described as a "credible threat" in a database of suspicious activity compiled by the Pentagon's Talon program. The listing cited the group's gathering a year ago at a Quaker meeting house in Lake Worth, Fla., to talk about ways to counter military recruitment at high schools.
spy on quakers....that's the ticket!
gotta go get bird seed before the avian disappointment in the backyard results in me having a tippi hedren exerience.bbl.
Group gathers signatures in support of ‘Hotel Souter’
By The Associated Press
Good morning, everyone. Thank you for posting the Sunday lineup, {{{Cyn}}}. Meet the Press with Barack, our future president ---and Kinky Friedman, why not?
Hope when I return after watching Tim, I won't be angry. Don't bet on it.
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Morning, Fade. My TV lineup changed after the 1st, so can't see Russert till 10.
This landed in my email box. I checked it out on Truth or Fiction, but didn't find anything.
NOW WE KNOW! (IT SEEMED SO HARD TO EXPLAIN BEFORE!)
A question and answer session with Bush.......
BUSH EXPLAINS MEDICARE DRUG BILL
-- Verbatim Quote
WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: "I don't really understand. How is the new plan
going to fix the problem?"
Verbatim response: PRESIDENT BUSH:
"Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on
the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has been promised. Does that make any sense to you?
It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase
of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices.
Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, supposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if
those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red."
Good Morning Cyn!
So far you haven't missed anything that wouldn't set your digestive system on edge. Russert was doing all he could to paint Obama as a hypocrite and even sent the Abramoff is a bi-partisan problem out there which Obama didn't even try to refute.
At least with Carville can be counted out for having some teeth to bite back with. I know that folks are in a lovefest with Obama and I agree he is charming but darned if I'm not tired of listening to a bunch of 'keep the peace' Democrats. My new rule is I'm only watching those I know will correct the lies of the Rightwing noise machine and their drones sent out to do their bidding.
Albright is getting schooled. Why doesn't Russert hit her harder on the so called fiscal conservatism that conservatives show? C'mon Tim!!
Kristen,
I agree...and raise you ten chips, gurl. How can Mary show more cojones than Huey and Dewy? Disgusting...those two are wimpettes.
They did not effectively defend Howard Dean, and both Obama and the bookseller boyz had plenty of opportunity to do so. Opportunisitic is the word of the day, and unity loses again.
I couldn't make it through the whole damned thing. Disgusting!
Posted by Cyn_NY on January 22, 2006 at 09:20 AM
Yes, it's true. Mike Malloy plays that quote regularly.
It's even more laughable when you hear him sputter and stutter, struggling to get those neurons to connect. Many holes in that brain, many large gaps.
Fade, the only highlight of my TV morning so far was when I turned to "This Week" and caught the comic line up of GWB jokes. Although Begala had it right when he said people aren't happy with Democrats for what they stand for but for the fact that they just don't seem to stand up strong for what they believe.
I love this party...but dang it...I want to know that our Dem leaders love it even more!
Thank you Kristen and Fade. I just may watch something else. And, Kristen, I agree with you on Obama. He certainly is charming and may, with experience, become the shining star we all thought he would be. But we need his voice NOW!
Looks like the Democrats have to find an issue that this unsophisticated, un-informed American public understand and care about:
WASHINGTON -- Democrats figured they had planned the perfect kickoff for the election year - a rally in the historic Great Hall of the Library of Congress featuring about 100 members of Congress, standing together to show their support for tough new ethics laws.
Yet the carefully orchestrated event did not prove to be the catalyst for the political moment Democrats so avidly sought. Instead, it underscored why Congress is going to have a tough time writing meaningful ethics laws - and why it's going to be hard for any political party to make corruption-fighting its signature issue this year
http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-ethics0122.artjan22,0,7783899.story?coll=hc-headlines-home
Poor Dawn, having to live with these Idiots!
I say, Good, let them spend their time and money on a candidate who will get beaten and beaten badly ! (Unless of course, Diebold has it's way with the machines again)
LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. - If there was any remaining doubt that Florida's top Republican leaders weren't behind Katherine Harris's run for U.S. Senate, those leaders did their best Saturday to cast it aside.
At the state GOP's quarterly meeting, Gov. Jeb Bush said he would campaign for Harris and encouraged a crowded room of Republican activists to do the same. At a separate rally following his speech, Lt. Gov. Toni Jennings gave strong praise to Harris and told her "Go, run and win."
I guess there is no more avoiding the housework that needs to be done. Today is a big football day in the house and so I should probably get my chores done!
Sorry for all you non football folks but....
GO SEAHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's OK, Kristen. gives me a chance to say, GO HUSKIES. Looks like my UCONN men Basketball team will move into first place in the polls this week. And with UCONN ladies beating #3 LSU this week, I am anxious to see where they will sit.
Posted by PamB on January 22, 2006 at 10:24 AM
I think you're right. With the #1 and 2 teams being upset this week, it leaves the top spot open for UCONN. My Michigan Wolverines have been a pleasant surprise so far this season. Although they play Michigan State University this week. If they pull that game off, hopefully they'll crack the top 25.
Pam, the Courant article is really good. I'm so disgusted with the whole lot of them that it might be time for me to relocate to another place. I've had it with the stupidity of the amurkin people, frankly.
Dell,
sorry about the tragic accident last night. how late do you have to work?
Posted by fade2bluz on January 22, 2006 at 10:34 AM
I'm stuck here until midnight. I traded shifts with my boss because he had a mix up with scheduling today. Thanks for your thoughts concerning the accident. I wish I could've went to church today to give the family my best wishes. I know my wife will on my behalf at least.
I just love Jenny!
Health care legislation targets Wal~Mart
State Representative Jennifer Garrison, D-Marietta, today introduced legislation that would stop Ohio’s biggest corporations from shirking their responsibility to do right by their employees and pay a fair share of health care costs.
Obama did very well I thought on MTP. He is thoughtful and does not pander to personal attacks. Russert's ploy is getting tiresome. You can't merely throw up out of context quotes from people and get a fair responce. Now I'm turniong off the set & going to the gym. I have no interest in seeing Carville & his wife do their bit
I'm so disgusted with the whole lot of them that it might be time for me to relocate to another place. I've had it with the stupidity of the amurkin people, frankly.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 22, 2006 at 10:31 AM
fade,
Don't Give Up. Don't Ever Give Up. We will never solve the stupidity that reigns in this country, but we can try and make this country better for our future generations by attacking, attacking all of these attempts to turn this country into a theocracy .
Did anyone just watch Begala and Carville on Meet the Press? I have ordered their new book. But listening, it pretty much is what we all have said in one way or another. The Democratic message last election was not a clear concise strong one! We must learn to do that----all of us.
Bleu,
I love Jenny, too! If the "big guvmint" doesn't take care of public health, big bidness needs to pick up the slack. The repubs can't have it both ways, although they certainly have tried. These initiatives are all over the country, and until we resolve the health care crisis, there will be no respite from the demands on emergency rooms.
Big oil, and Big Wally want all the profits and none of the responsibility. Time for some leaders that care enough about the public to serve them--for a change. And a nice change it is!!
bb
i though obama fumbled when he did not EXPLAIN that Abramoff money and the money from lobbyists he represents are two very different pies.
Bad move, Barack. He should have, imho, backed Dean in saying Republican Culture of Corruption at some point in the conversation. Too careful and not on point with a unified message.
I was not happy with his performance. I expect more. We will not win with the "every man for himself" approach.
I was not--as many of you know--in favor of Dean as chair. Domingo still won't speak to me, because of it. oh well...but you gotta dance with the one that brung ya, and Barack could have backed up Hillary and Dean a lot better.
Although, the definition of insanity is expecting a different outcome when you do the same thing--so you know where that leave me.
bb
be glad you didn't watch Begala and the gang. They were too busy patting themselves on the back for being right (in their opinion).
Sorry Pam but I thought they were speaking out against DEMS at the wrong time. WE are the ones innocent right now. Or as close to innocent as we've ever been.
Even Obama ticked me off at his weak responses. WE are the innocent ones now and we are supposed to give the damn PUGS a PASS???
THEY are STILLLLLLL blaming Clinton for something from YEARS ago!!! WHY should we NOT shove this down their lame ass throats!!
Damn our party is so busy trying to be "BETTER" than the next guy (in principle) that we are losing the POINT of making a POINT!! to the PUBLIC that is not paying attention except when we SLAM OUR FISTS and say YOU screwed up NOT us this time!
jmo. lol
Posted by Dawnelle on January 22, 2006 at 11:22 AM
Hey, sorry to chase you out of IOS last night. I carried one of my daughters to bed and poof you were gone.
U did no such thing Dell!
I was tired and it was late. I hope you are feeling a bit better?
to me Obama would have appeared defensive had he tried to explain the two pie metaphor : Abramoff & Abramoff client distinction.. instead i thought he did an excellent job of twice explainging the republican strategy of giving lobbyists paid access to write energy policy and drug policy. that's the every day truth that many Americans can relate to. in my opinion he made the important point.
bb
of course Rust-urk NEVER gives ANYone I care about a break! Same with WOLF and the rest of the MSM these days.
I'm about ready to just tank my TV FADE!!
lol
Yeah, barbi was good to talk with last night. I wish ya woulda stuck around longer though.
I actually found NBC on the radio and heard the interview with Obama and I felt a bit letdown. He was given a chance to send the unified "culture of corruption" message out and chose not too. I think if that's the strategy Howard Dean is using then every Democrat who is on the "talking heads" shows should get that message out.
Did anyone just watch Begala and Carville on Meet the Press? I have ordered their new book. But listening, it pretty much is what we all have said in one way or another. The Democratic message last election was not a clear concise strong one! We must learn to do that----all of us.
Posted by PamB on January 22, 2006 at 10:59 AM
I was half heartedly watching. I wish I would have been paying closer attention...I was getting my sociology notes in order to begin studying. Those of us working in a campaign can learn by what was printed/said about having a defined message, attacking our opponents, and inspiring the voters.
Posted by bb on January 22, 2006 at 11:27 AM
he did of course and the General Public unfortunately is NOT watching the news this morning. So it's moot. My point anyway. I am just waiting now for the PUG nation to snip clips of Begala and the rest dissing Dean, the Dems, and their FAILED election campaign last time.
Cuz that's all they will take from it and we'll see it over and over! My fear!
Another thing that disappointed me is Russ...eeeek trying to get the Rethuglicans a soundbite by asking Obama's opinion on quotes. I think that's what the MSM is trying to do these days, get the pugs soundbites for the 2006 elections.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 21, 2006 at 05:04 PM
Thank you, bluz.
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Miles to go & all that jazz.
Enjoy the afternoon, everyone!
(GO STEELERS!)
I also caught a very small bit of Schieffer's CBS show with LOSERLIEB and that 911 commission hawk Roberts both drunk with koolaid supporting the B line.
Well the 2.5 seconds I watched. Then the TV changed channels by itself. ITS A MURRICLE!
LOL
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
why do i torture myself watching Chris Matthews
smug stuck up holier than thou round table
Ok the McLaughlin Group should be easier to take as I know Mc is a good Dem.
LOL Im needed to have the choir sing to me today!
in my opinion he made the important point.
Posted by bb on January 22, 2006 at 11:27 AM
bb, i agree with you there...
he did explain that well. in my office, though, the response about Abramoff has been, "well, both parties took money"
i work in a government office, where there is a pretty even distribution of both parties...i think we need to cut throught that distortion first, or at least, at the same time...because it diminishes the impact of just how huge the scandal is. it's become a "ho hum, corruption blahdeblah, they're both corrupt" story, even though the real story is anything BUT that.
although, i know when i'm licked...all over
Posted by Dawnelle on January 22, 2006 at 11:59 AM
It's been one of those weekends. I can hardly stomach politics right now. I need to go on a bender!! ;) I also need to go on another rant on my soapbox. I love my soapbox!! LOL.
dawn,
LOL at your t.v. remark...i didn't shoot mine...i gave it to a child who lives across the way...so he can become brainwashed patriotically like we are
although, i know when i'm licked...all over
Posted by fade2bluz on January 22, 2006 at 12:02 PM
That belongs on another blog, silly. ;)
Posted by fade2bluz on January 22, 2006 at 12:04 PM
I feel like shooting the radio here in the Empire Mine guard shack.
Dell,
you're working a heinous shift today...you're entitled to a bender, provided you're at home with your wife looking after you and you stay put...i bet a cold beer will put you right to sleep, hon...
i don't know how you do it!
I need to go on a bender!! ;)
Posted by DeLLBerto on January 22, 2006 at 12:02 PM
Me too! (little personal joke there on my behalf. I couldn't help myself!)
Sheets are on the line, chores done, time to study. I love Slacker Sundays!
My fear!
Posted by Dawnelle on January 22, 2006 at 11:35 AM
The tears at the hearings, wahhhhhh...the negative remarks toward Dean....the media whores control the message, so we are going to rely on one another to be purveyors of truth...
did i tell ya they're trying to get a "defense of marriage" amendment on the ballot in IL? this is national money talking, here....it's sick
Posted by fade2bluz on January 22, 2006 at 12:06 PM
A lot of caffeine. I probably won't drink again until this summer, although right now, circumstances warrant one helluva bender. The state of the union.. well it sucks, I work to much and it just seems I can't string together a streak of more then 90 days without something ridiculous happening in my life.
Posted by Bleujae on January 22, 2006 at 12:08 PM
We all need a bender from time to time.
I feel like shooting the radio here in the Empire Mine guard shack.
Dell,
That would make interesting news...
"Young former soldier shoots out radio due to the lies and misleading of the present administration"
In his comment as to why: Young Dell stated... WaPo is silencing bloggers.
;)
do you old timers remember Gary? GAME OVER...i was thinking about him when i typed that, Dell
Gary used to type everything in CAPS, because his keyboard wouldn't unlock, i think...he always ended his posts with GAME OVER
i miss the variety that the election brought...there were so many people blogging then, it was very exciting...now people have their own little sideshows...very appropriate metaphor for the party, i think
we disagree with one another much more in this party cuz it ain't run like a plantation
Posted by PeppermintLizzy on January 22, 2006 at 12:11 PM
Damn straight. I wonder if that would make "drudge report" or whatever the hell it is. I can't put NPR on because they lie through the airwaves, I can't put music on because it's all depressing country around here, the AM is well, filled with right wing lies and spin until sunset, then I can get Air America, but it's Sunday so nothing live. Oh and the doggone stoplight keeps going to blinking redlights, so I have to keep resetting that thing.
Dell,
the only thing keeping me here, and i mean this most sincerely, is the obligation i feel toward the young people, such as yourself.
you have inherited a debt for a war of choice and are given meager wages with health care benefits guaranteed by a flip of a coin...
we will turn this around, or die trying
Posted by fade2bluz on January 22, 2006 at 12:14 PM
'tis true the Democrats disagree with each other more often the Pugs, but we do need some unity within the ranks. At least with the Abramoff scandal and key issues both domestic and foreign.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 22, 2006 at 12:14 PM
I've noticed the same thing with the wandering off to their own spaces. Indeed a valid observation Fade. Yep.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 22, 2006 at 12:17 PM
I hope what we've got on our hands due to this mis-administration isn't going to be irreversible for years. I'm really scared of the world my children are growing up in right now. I felt obligated to my children and the rest of the world's children to do something about this crap. I may not do much yet, but I'm slowly learning what to do and how to do it. Once I'm more comfortable expressing myself in writing, I will write more LTEs, then move to speaking and hopefully run for office sometime down the line.
Cool, a local band that covered The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald is on. It's a litte heavier then Gordon Lightfoot's version. I think they did a great job covering it. I guess I'll hold off on shooting the radio.
Posted by DeLLBerto on January 22, 2006 at 12:19 PM
that's another huge difference in people. Those that would join and serve in military service and those that can'd imagine ever doing it.
My Older brother would sooner shoot himself in the foot where as I thought it a good way to see the world and get an education w/out using my parents to do it. It's all in how you look at it I suppose.
now people have their own little sideshows...very appropriate metaphor for the party, i think
Huh???
I guess I'll hold off on shooting the radio.
Dell,
Sounds like you need to get yourself a little iPod and download podcasts and music to your liking.
Hypoxic is very educated and more than willing to help.
Dave from Crooks and Liars:
For me (as if anyone cares), waching Sen. Barack Obama on MTP this morning is the end for me. His utter inability or more realistically his lack of desire to articulate the dire shape our country is in and to point out those who brought it to us, have forced this voter over the edge.
These chicken shits don't deserve my support or my vote.
Between Hilary's blathering about Iran this week amongst a million other comments by the "opposition party" I can't in good faith vote for these losers.
[my feeling on the morning talk show, in a nutshell..except for the voting part. good to know there are others out there who think things are bad enough to expect that someone sound the effing alarm!]
Once I'm more comfortable expressing myself in writing, I will write more LTEs, then move to speaking and hopefully run for office sometime down the line.
Posted by DeLLBerto on January 22, 2006 at 12:24 PM
Good, and you'll find financial and emotional support here, buddy! Thank you for lifting my spirits and giving me a reason to believe this system can work.
hello everyone ;-)
"Eureka - I have found it".
our bumpersticker message from now til the elections...
BUSH FAILED!
the 9/11 commission - bush failed
iraq policy - bush failed
domestic policy - bush failed
protection of America 9/11/2001 - bush failed
capture of Bin Laden - bush failed
google bush failed policy and the list goes on
such as National Gaurd service - bush failed
it's so simple, i think this is something we can all convey to the masses
every Dem talking head on television should keep pointing out the republican failures
Oooo!
It's the Drake Equation - w/out the little green men.
Last part of this equation is L which is the LENGTH of time such a civilization can exist before destroying itself (in so many words)
The Drake equation states that:
where:
N is the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which we might expect to be able to communicate
and
R* is the rate of star formation in our galaxy
fp is the fraction of those stars which have planets
ne is average number of planets which can potentially support life per star that has planets
fl is the fraction of the above which actually go on to develop life
fi is the fraction of the above which actually go on to develop intelligent life
fc is the fraction of the above which are willing and able to communicate
L is the expected lifetime of such a civilization
Oh, so this is where you all are.
Good morning, all.
WASHINGTON -- Democrats figured they had planned the perfect kickoff for the election year - a rally in the historic Great Hall of the Library of Congress featuring about 100 members of Congress, standing together to show their support for tough new ethics laws.
Posted by PamB on January 22, 2006 at 09:42 AM
PamB, maybe they should have stood on the steps of San Quentin?
I've been watching the talking heads this morning. Here's a few things that I noted:
The Republicans only feel safe attacking Hillary. The Murtha attack fell flat and didn't get off the ground.
Obama doesn't have the experience of Durbin and it shows.
The Republican incumbents can't run on their records this election without being confronted by their culture of corruption. Even the conservatives panelists this morning seemed resigned to that fact. Each new indictment and the coming trials are going to hurt them even worse.
The Republicans can't run again on the national security incertainties of a post 9/11 world as Rove would like. Cookie Roberts and even George Will said it doesn't resonate well the second time around....that there are new incertainties in the country.
What they didn't say is that they center on hard economic realities like the rising cost of medical care and heating/gasoline...and the resulting inflation with everything else.
Incompetence is the word the Republicans fear most. They have bungled every task they have taken on -- while weakening the military and abandoning fiscal responsibility. They cannot point to any one accomplishment that positively affected average Americans...none. As the most people and they will say, "What tax cuts?"
The war on terror has become an argument of how we get out Iraq....not on whether we should stay.
The conservative appologists among the MSM are disappointed with this President and Republican Congress and are begrudingly showing it. The rest seem tired. I think more than a few worry about their own fortunes and the future of their "old fashioned" news mediums.
The President's criminal behavior with the warrantless NSA spying has forced many Republican politicans to admit that he "may have" done something wrong ... and that "something" has to be corrected.
"Is this country going in the right direction?"
It's the question the MSM doesn't dare ask without angering their corporate owners.
Just noticed an enterprising law firm is advertising fraud as a new specialty. 1-800-end fraud. This country is so deep in it, it's got to be a lucrative new field to enter.
sorry to butt in on dialogue... thought this might be of interest
comcast web page is announcing...
http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2006/01/22/309424.html
Reports: Bush, Abramoff Together in Photos
By Associated Press
3 hours ago
WASHINGTON - Although President Bush says he doesn't recall meeting convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff, the two have reportedly turned up in photos together.
Both Washingtonian and Time magazines have reported the existence of about a half-dozen photos showing the two together...
"the crime family photo shoot"
wonder how rove will spin this away?
Karl Rove, (or as he was better known in the queer bars of Dupont Circle in the 80's "Miss Piggy," consider this is a line in the sand from the LGBT community, you launch one more rally against our civil rights while trying to hide your fat a$$ in the closet, and you'll wish you hadn't!
You can pass that message along to those two little princesses-in-training Mehlman and McClellan too.You have done more damage to OUR community than every hateful Christian Reich fanatic COMBINED. So remember long after this administration is gone, we'll remember you, cuz one thing queers and Republicans have in common, is memory like an elephant.
Rove is once more using the fear button. First Democrats need to remember that it worked in 2002 and 2004 so it has to be turned around. Example: Rove on terrorism? Remember the Plame case? This is Rove's new approach to fighting terrorism--identify CIA agent for al Qeda!
we all know that the Bush administration has commited more impeachable offenses than any other President in modern times.If he was a Democrate the proceedings would be underway already.The sad true is it's a stacked deck.What can we do to slow down the runaway train?I'm looking for suggestions.
What can we do? Make a nusiance of ourselves. Email is great. The secret though is; don't use deletable explicatives, and get your friends relatives, and your cousin's yellow dog to email on the same subjects. Don't just email the Democrat legislators, email ALL of them. Email them about every subject that you feel strongly about. If you don't like the reply, email them again. If they do something right, email and tell them that you like what they are doing.
Join the local parties, support local candidates that are saying and doing the right things. Pressure the DNC to grow a backbone.
Make this a grass roots campaign. The lobbyists have the money, we have the votes.
Get 'em. Hoooah!!!
When is my party going to start going on the offensive instead of always playing defense to the Republican attack dogs?
If we expect to win back either chamber of the Congress in 2006 or the White House in 2008, we better start playing by the opponents rules. The day of fair play in politics in this country seems to have ended.
The Democratic Party needs to expose the Bush Administration's tactics on attacking anyone who questions thier decision as a rehash of McCarthism from the 1950's. The parallels are blatantly obvious.
Communist Simpathazer = Soft on Terrorism
Why aren't the Democratic Filibustering the Alito nomination? Isn't there anything our Democratic Senators think is worth making a stand about.
Unless they make a stink about something, all we're ever going to see or hear is the Republicans.
I see a consistant theme in many of the posted comments.
We Democrats are still reacting to everything the right wing-nuts are doing. They will continue to be in control of national policy and debate as long as we sit and wait for their next move. We have nobody to blame but ourselves.
Agree with JohnPitt. Where/what are the talking points for progressives? When and how are we going to take the offensive?
1. Don't buy into letting Rove change the names of their schemes: changing 'domestic spying' into 'Terrorist Surveillance Program'; 'global warming' into 'climate change', etc. Don't ever use their terms, stay with the real descriptor of the issue. The moment we use their phrases, they've all but won.
2. Let's create a few of our own: 'pulling a Bush' (keep it clean, guys!) when someone is saying one thing and doing another, ignoring the truth in spite of overwhelming facts; or 'that's real republican of you' when someone is obviously valueing their own money/profit/power over the needs of people/society. Shouldn't be hard to turn 'Bush' and 'republican' into dirty words, after all they did it to 'liberal'!
3. "And the truth shall set you free!" Avoid the inflammatory rhetoric, as long as we respond with arguements, curses and dirty names, we are playing their game, and (sadly) they are much better at it. For almost every issue all we need to do is put out the truth -- clearly, repeatedly, and consistently, support it with facts. Obviously, many are going to pull a Bush and deny any facts that aren't in line with their own agenda, but the Truth has a way of hanging around. Fact: Bush had a legal pathway in place to obtain domestic eavesdropping. Fact: He CHOSE not to use it. Fact: the intelligence people HAD communications to and from the terrorists before 9/11 without the benefit of domestic spying. Fact: they didn't get around to translating them until well after the attacks.
Fact: Bush did know Abramoff
4. On the offensive: a) having the environment go poison on you is terrifying for most people, global warming and pollution will affect your children and their children, yet the repubs are refusing any action to protect the stock portfolios of their buddies, make it an issue! b) push the point that perceived security at the expense of liberty is a bad deal for everyone. c) the war in Iraq is a tar-baby, a la Br'er Rabbit, get the FACTS out how the current administration has mis-read/interpreted/believed/managed about everything possible. We need to make sure that the consequences of the war fall where they belong - at Rummy's and Bush's feet. Over 2100 dead, over 10,000 wounded/maimed, billions of dollars.
d) The economy seems to be a paper tiger. Bush thinks it's great. True spendable income actually down, huge trade deficit, loss of jobs, loss of pensions, increasing numbers below poverty line and/or without health insurance. The next administration is going to have a nightmare dealing with the mess that Bush is setting up, we need to be vocal about who got us into the mess and get some damn good ideas down on paper how to deal with it.
DocT and JohnPitt for President & Vice President. You guys decide which. Where do I send my campaign donation.
I'm getting tired of our Democratic leaders always making concesion speaches.
From CNN on Sen. Kerry calling for a filibuster of Alito:
But Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin, who is in charge of rounding up his Democratic colleagues for key votes, Thursday played down the possibility of a filibuster.
"One of the first responsibilities of someone in Congress is to learn how to count," the Illinois Democrat said. "Having made a count, I have come to the conclusion it is highly unlikely that a filibuster would succeed."
Just because there are 55 Republican senators shouldn't mean the party leader just throw up thier hands and give up all the damn time. What ever happened to fighting for a priciple?
I wonder how Gov, Dean is going vote on the filibuster of Alito
I wonder how Gov, Dean is going vote on the filibuster of Alito
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